Katherine Morgan Schafler

So when you think about male perfectionists, you might think of like a James Cameron or Gordon Ramsey or Steve Jobs, who were just genius visionaries, wanted things in a very particular way, in a very particular style. And when you think about female perfectionists, you might think of like a Martha Stewart or Marie Kondo, like

So when you think about male perfectionists, you might think of like a James Cameron or Gordon Ramsey or Steve Jobs, who were just genius visionaries, wanted things in a very particular way, in a very particular style. And when you think about female perfectionists, you might think of like a Martha Stewart or Marie Kondo, like

So when you think about male perfectionists, you might think of like a James Cameron or Gordon Ramsey or Steve Jobs, who were just genius visionaries, wanted things in a very particular way, in a very particular style. And when you think about female perfectionists, you might think of like a Martha Stewart or Marie Kondo, like

women who are allowed to be public about their perfectionistic standards, but only if it is expressed through archetypal homemaker interests that are not in competition with men. Because if you're not doing that, then otherwise you're sort of like the Anna Wintour, the editor of Vogue or Serena Williams. You're a difficult woman or you're

women who are allowed to be public about their perfectionistic standards, but only if it is expressed through archetypal homemaker interests that are not in competition with men. Because if you're not doing that, then otherwise you're sort of like the Anna Wintour, the editor of Vogue or Serena Williams. You're a difficult woman or you're

women who are allowed to be public about their perfectionistic standards, but only if it is expressed through archetypal homemaker interests that are not in competition with men. Because if you're not doing that, then otherwise you're sort of like the Anna Wintour, the editor of Vogue or Serena Williams. You're a difficult woman or you're

you know, just not balanced enough, you're not maternal enough, you're fill in the blank, not enough of something. So that kind of I don't know if that answers your question, but that is what the difference is in the term. I think I don't know if you feel this way, John, but I think language is such an immediate locator for gender performance expectations.

you know, just not balanced enough, you're not maternal enough, you're fill in the blank, not enough of something. So that kind of I don't know if that answers your question, but that is what the difference is in the term. I think I don't know if you feel this way, John, but I think language is such an immediate locator for gender performance expectations.

you know, just not balanced enough, you're not maternal enough, you're fill in the blank, not enough of something. So that kind of I don't know if that answers your question, but that is what the difference is in the term. I think I don't know if you feel this way, John, but I think language is such an immediate locator for gender performance expectations.

And you can learn a lot about a culture by the language that we use, like words that we have for things, but you can learn a lot more by the absence of words, right? So there's a lot of language around being called like recovering perfectionist. I'm a recovering perfectionist. It's not something that I often hear men say, if at all, right?

And you can learn a lot about a culture by the language that we use, like words that we have for things, but you can learn a lot more by the absence of words, right? So there's a lot of language around being called like recovering perfectionist. I'm a recovering perfectionist. It's not something that I often hear men say, if at all, right?

And you can learn a lot about a culture by the language that we use, like words that we have for things, but you can learn a lot more by the absence of words, right? So there's a lot of language around being called like recovering perfectionist. I'm a recovering perfectionist. It's not something that I often hear men say, if at all, right?

When you use the term strong-minded, that's really a descriptor for... femininity. You don't say watch out for him. He's a strong minded man, because that descriptor gains a superfluous quality when you're talking about men. And the idea there is like, well, men are supposed to be strong minded. You know, men are supposed to know what they want.

When you use the term strong-minded, that's really a descriptor for... femininity. You don't say watch out for him. He's a strong minded man, because that descriptor gains a superfluous quality when you're talking about men. And the idea there is like, well, men are supposed to be strong minded. You know, men are supposed to know what they want.

When you use the term strong-minded, that's really a descriptor for... femininity. You don't say watch out for him. He's a strong minded man, because that descriptor gains a superfluous quality when you're talking about men. And the idea there is like, well, men are supposed to be strong minded. You know, men are supposed to know what they want.

And the subtext of that subtext is like women aren't, you know, and so it's like, even like, do you know the phrase resting? Bitch face?

And the subtext of that subtext is like women aren't, you know, and so it's like, even like, do you know the phrase resting? Bitch face?

And the subtext of that subtext is like women aren't, you know, and so it's like, even like, do you know the phrase resting? Bitch face?

Well, there's no resting jerk face, right? For a reason, because women are expected to be palatable and pleasing all the time. And when they display a neutral facial expression, there's a punishment for that. And it's kind of jokey jokey. You know, no one's really being punished, but it's not really jokey jokey.

Well, there's no resting jerk face, right? For a reason, because women are expected to be palatable and pleasing all the time. And when they display a neutral facial expression, there's a punishment for that. And it's kind of jokey jokey. You know, no one's really being punished, but it's not really jokey jokey.