Katherine Ramsland

John Wayne Gacy had.

They do.

It's not like they're totally devoid of, you know, any sense of integrity.

It's just not as developed as it is for most other people.

But I think that's the big question.

Why isn't Dennis Rader confessing to them?

getting more fame he says to me and to those associates of his who known him for a while and i've known him for 14 so 14 years yeah he says i'm not going to

admitted something I didn't do.

He even said, I'm going to have the number 10 tattooed on me so that if I die, it'll still be there and nobody can change it.

Well, and here's why the Missouri detective team, when they went over and talked to him for hours, I mean, he was willing to talk with them

But they said the difference between when he talked about his own murders and then when he discussed the one we were interested in, the difference in his demeanor, his interest level, his excitement told us he was not our guy.

Could be.

I'm not going to accuse anybody of that, but.

it does get eyes on it in a way that it wouldn't in any other, other context.

Well, and he, he says that I probably know him better than anybody.

Um, it,

I've spent many, many, many hours in conversation with him in a lot of contexts and also know the entire police interrogation.

I knew the DA before I ever met Dennis Rader.

She was a friend of mine.

So she gave me access to files she had.