Kathryn Gordon
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48 appearances
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first heard Jan 2025
last heard Jan 2025
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And this is interesting, Catherine, because if you are early in a relationship, you don't want to seem like too much and like you're doting too much on someone versus maybe if you're in a relationship for a long time and you've fallen out of it. Now you're like, oh, what? I'm going to reintroduce that. I see on either spectrum how that could be a little challenging.
Who doesn't want to be giving of kindness and giving of praise of a person that you're in a relationship with? It makes all the sense in the world, but to your point earlier, if you haven't seen that modeled for you or those aren't the relationships you've been in, at first, making the transition, it does feel a little uncomfortable.
How do you get people to break through that uncomfortable moment?
For sure, because life just happens. That's how I felt like, right? Like all of a sudden something big happens at work and you have to run off and handle it. Or like you said, the kids are going through a challenging time at school and they really need their mother present. It seems to make all the sense in the world as you and I are just sitting here having a conversation right now.
But in those difficult moments, how do you remind yourself? I think it takes practice.
To hear that you're able to impact people with these principles. And one of the reasons I think that the book resonated so well is not only were you so vulnerable in sharing these difficult moments for you, but John also was to see both of you so incredibly raw. It was shocking for me at first when I was reading it.
I've never read a book written the way that you wrote it. However, it's incredibly engaging because I can't wait to hear what the other one had to say in response to that event. Because To your point, of course, we're always going to see things differently.
And there's going to be different sides to what was happening when he was on the road versus when you were at home or it impacts people differently. So it was always so interesting and eye-opening and reflective for my own self to think about my own relationships in life and that there is always another perspective.
And it can always at different times be a different person that's stepping in to maybe be the leader in that relationship or take the chance or be really vulnerable, which is what I saw a lot of in the book too.
You brought up earlier that our children are seeing us model these relationships. So for everyone listening right now, if you do have kids, gosh, take the time to read this book. Take the time to apply these principles to your life and take a moment to think, are you leading a life and relationship that you want to pass and have your kids emulate? Because
I don't think we think about that all the time when we're in the grind and running through the day and getting stressed out and dropping the ball on things. If you take a moment to really ask yourself that question, is the relationship you're living in right now one that you want your children to emulate? I think that that can be really powerful.
There's a lot in our society and culture these days of just walk away from people. If there's a disagreement, we'll just leave it. There's other people, other partners out there. But to your point and the importance of communication in this book and teaching people how to treat you, it's about sitting down and having the difficult discussions so that you can work through them.
Well, there's some of those breakthrough moments. One that really hit a chord with me was when Things were not great at all with you and John at this point in your marriage. John was on a flight.
He starts speaking to an older gentleman who shares with him this idea of a relationship prayer, this prayer for you and your wife, and that John just starts saying it at night and you were not responding. It did not look like it was going well. In my mind, I'm thinking, oh my gosh, like John probably should stop saying this. It's not, it's not working.
It's not working because you don't know what's going to happen yet. And then when you turn the page to finally say, You do start embracing this message. You do start saying that this is something like you're starting to look forward to. That was such a beautiful moment because we were able to see the transition in real time happening for you. And it was so powerful. There's more to that, actually.
Yeah.
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