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Katie Phang

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The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

And Commander Schilling is one of the plaintiffs in the case that SCOTUS has now basically said, at this point we're going to allow you, Commander Emily Schilling, to be booted out of the United States Navy, despite all of the work that you have done and all of the money that has been spent, simply because you decided that you were going to transition in 2021. I mean, Tim, this is why...

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

And Commander Schilling is one of the plaintiffs in the case that SCOTUS has now basically said, at this point we're going to allow you, Commander Emily Schilling, to be booted out of the United States Navy, despite all of the work that you have done and all of the money that has been spent, simply because you decided that you were going to transition in 2021. I mean, Tim, this is why...

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

This is a particularly outrageous moment because the other federal courts that have been deciding this and the reason why it made it to SCOTUS, they said, look, these are completely nefarious bans. These are completely nefarious executive orders by Donald Trump. There's no legitimate reason to discriminate against trans military service members. And yet, unfortunately, you have this decision.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

This is a particularly outrageous moment because the other federal courts that have been deciding this and the reason why it made it to SCOTUS, they said, look, these are completely nefarious bans. These are completely nefarious executive orders by Donald Trump. There's no legitimate reason to discriminate against trans military service members. And yet, unfortunately, you have this decision.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

This is a particularly outrageous moment because the other federal courts that have been deciding this and the reason why it made it to SCOTUS, they said, look, these are completely nefarious bans. These are completely nefarious executive orders by Donald Trump. There's no legitimate reason to discriminate against trans military service members. And yet, unfortunately, you have this decision.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

And it was an order that basically said the following, Tim. It basically said, look, If the Trump administration wants to file what we call a petition for writ of certiorari, meaning that they want us, as in SCOTUS, to be able to decide the case on its merits, then okay, we may take this case and we may listen to this case.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

And it was an order that basically said the following, Tim. It basically said, look, If the Trump administration wants to file what we call a petition for writ of certiorari, meaning that they want us, as in SCOTUS, to be able to decide the case on its merits, then okay, we may take this case and we may listen to this case.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

And it was an order that basically said the following, Tim. It basically said, look, If the Trump administration wants to file what we call a petition for writ of certiorari, meaning that they want us, as in SCOTUS, to be able to decide the case on its merits, then okay, we may take this case and we may listen to this case.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

And if we do, this kind of ability for the Trump ban to keep on going and this complete evacuation of all trans-military service members is going to be allowed to happen until we render our judgment. But if we decide we're not going to take up this case, then automatically this stay is going to be terminated.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

And if we do, this kind of ability for the Trump ban to keep on going and this complete evacuation of all trans-military service members is going to be allowed to happen until we render our judgment. But if we decide we're not going to take up this case, then automatically this stay is going to be terminated.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

And if we do, this kind of ability for the Trump ban to keep on going and this complete evacuation of all trans-military service members is going to be allowed to happen until we render our judgment. But if we decide we're not going to take up this case, then automatically this stay is going to be terminated.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

But it's outrageous because, you know, Tim, there's only 4,240 members, only 0.2% of more than 2 million military service members that identify as trans. And so it's very disappointing to see that we have this type of decision that came out of SCOTUS. It doesn't mean it's the final say, but you know what?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

But it's outrageous because, you know, Tim, there's only 4,240 members, only 0.2% of more than 2 million military service members that identify as trans. And so it's very disappointing to see that we have this type of decision that came out of SCOTUS. It doesn't mean it's the final say, but you know what?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

But it's outrageous because, you know, Tim, there's only 4,240 members, only 0.2% of more than 2 million military service members that identify as trans. And so it's very disappointing to see that we have this type of decision that came out of SCOTUS. It doesn't mean it's the final say, but you know what?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

It's this type of stuff that's making a lot of us say, who is really making the decisions at SCOTUS right now?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

It's this type of stuff that's making a lot of us say, who is really making the decisions at SCOTUS right now?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

It's this type of stuff that's making a lot of us say, who is really making the decisions at SCOTUS right now?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

There's no evidence. There's no evidence that being a trans military service member means that you are dishonoring the uniform, dishonoring your commitment that you're making. And to your point, I'm not in the military. I don't have the balls to go and do what they are doing. I mean, this commander is just one of, like I said, just a few, only 0.2% of our active military. And yet...

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

There's no evidence. There's no evidence that being a trans military service member means that you are dishonoring the uniform, dishonoring your commitment that you're making. And to your point, I'm not in the military. I don't have the balls to go and do what they are doing. I mean, this commander is just one of, like I said, just a few, only 0.2% of our active military. And yet...

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners

There's no evidence. There's no evidence that being a trans military service member means that you are dishonoring the uniform, dishonoring your commitment that you're making. And to your point, I'm not in the military. I don't have the balls to go and do what they are doing. I mean, this commander is just one of, like I said, just a few, only 0.2% of our active military. And yet...