Katie Rich

Costume designers, I think, is only a couple hundred people.

And, you know, depending on the size of the branches, it really can just be a small group that you need to sway things in your favor.

Yeah.

So each branch votes for the winners in their own category.

And then everyone votes for Best Picture.

So the Best Picture thing, everyone gets a say.

But costume designers, only costume designers get to pick the costume nominees.

So like this year, Deborah L. Scott got nominated for Avatar, which was a real surprise for a lot of people.

Can we pause?

It is.

But she makes these real costumes for them to then scan digitally.

And I did an event with them, actually, and they had the costumes on display and you see this incredible detail.

And so because the costume branch is kind of small, they were able to bring these people to these events to show them the costumes to kind of have that one-on-one access.

And she got the nomination, which she really deserved.

But I don't think the broader Academy would have known that the work she did qualified like that.

Yeah, I mean, I think the spectacle can vary depending on who's doing it.

Netflix can often be known for their level of spectacle.

There are also really strict rules about when you're allowed to feed people, what kind of party you're allowed to have.

So I'm thinking about, like, Netflix premiered Jake Kelly at the New York Film Festival in September.

Jake Kelly, yeah.