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Katie Ring

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609 total appearances

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Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

He studied law.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

He volunteered with the Seattle Police Department.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

These all gave him credibility and a sense of power.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

But in my opinion, it's not supported by any facts.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

But I believe that he did get kind of a thrill of being in these positions of authority, but also getting away with his crimes like right under their noses.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

As we kind of discussed earlier in the episode, a lot of his victims did resemble his ex-girlfriend.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

And one thing that I didn't know before I did this deep dive for this episode is that he actually won back that girlfriend that originally broke up with him.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

And he won her back, proposed to her, and then completely ghosted her with no explanation.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

And given his psychopathy and his narcissistic traits, that doesn't surprise me at all.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

Many psychologists interpret that as an attempt to reclaim power and control.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

So it's not about love.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

It's kind of about winning and punishment.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

So although he never said he chose victims that reminded him of his ex-girlfriend,

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

I think that there were something inside of him that did want to punish her.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

And that's why he chose some victims that resembled her.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

Unfortunately, traditional therapy hasn't been very successful with psychopaths.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

However, there are studies on early intervention, especially focused on parenting, social skills, and emotional regulation that have shown promising results.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

So again, we never know whether early interventions would have actually helped or not, but there is some promising research that maybe in the future we can help lead kids with these traits in a better direction.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

Okay, we're about to go over the time limit, but I will be breaking down some more of my thoughts or your guys' questions in the next episodes, as well as some of my top safety tips as a self-defense instructor.

Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore
The Crimes That Changed America: Introducing America’s Most Infamous Crimes

Thanks so much for joining me for this episode.