Katja Adler

Alussa, jos katsotaan ensimmäistä kertaa, monet eurooppalaiset johtajat loppuun loppuun rauhoittivat ideaa, he todella loppuivat. Mutta Donald Trumpin kontroversioiden toiminta Venäjällä viikonloppuun, eikä kukaan rauhoita enää. Denmarkin puheenjohtaja sanoo, että Donald Trumpin rauhoittaminen Greenlandin unilateraalisti,

have to be taken seriously. She says if the US does go ahead with that, which Donald Trump says he's absolutely determined to do, that, she said, would spell the end of the defence alliance NATO. Now, we know that Donald Trump is not a huge fan of the defence alliance. He's spoken many times about his dislike of Europe's reliance on the United States for defence and security, and he's got promises from European leaders to spend more on their own defence alliance.

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The thing is, what can they do? Well, we had a joint communique issued on Tuesday by six major European powers. The only ones who could decide the future of Greenland would be Greenland itself and Denmark. But Donald Trump isn't listening. Denmark and Greenland have tried repeatedly.

to get a meeting with Marco Rubio, the US Secretary of State, throughout last year. They've tried again, but Donald Trump seems absolutely intent. And the thing is, if we have a look at how European leaders have dealt with Donald Trump since his re-election into office, they tend to try to manage him rather than confront him.

He don't want to risk his ire, and right now they really, really need his buy-in over Ukraine. Because we had a very big meeting, I was there in Paris on Tuesday, talking about future security guarantees for Ukraine to ensure its sovereignty after aggression with Russia ends. And also Europeans are divided. That statement backing Denmark was only signed by six European leaders, so clearly divisions there.

Kyllä, se oli laitettu viisi puolustajaa. Ne ovat suurin piirtein eurooppalaiset, ja ne olivat tuottaneet muutaman muun puolustajan, jotka kertoisivat tuotantoa seuraavaksi. Tämä puolustus oli tuotannossa Ukrainiin, jossa oli niin paljon eurooppalaisia puolustajia.

But as you say, only six signed that communique. And that goes back to what I was saying about how different European countries are dealing with Donald Trump. Often, if you look particularly at the UK or Italy, safeguarding what they believe are special bilateral relations with Donald Trump. And despite promising to invest in their own defenses, they do still heavily rely on Washington for air capabilities, for example, command and control for intelligence. And Washington knows this full well.

the re-election of Donald Trump marks what's perhaps the most uncertain moment in the history of the NATO military alliance. Well, that is, since the last time he was president. But that was before large-scale warfare returned to Europe with Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, aided militarily and otherwise by North Korea, Iran and China.

the re-election of Donald Trump marks what's perhaps the most uncertain moment in the history of the NATO military alliance. Well, that is, since the last time he was president. But that was before large-scale warfare returned to Europe with Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, aided militarily and otherwise by North Korea, Iran and China.

NATO is a transatlantic military alliance and it's largely funded by the United States. But America first Donald Trump thinks it's a very bad deal.

NATO is a transatlantic military alliance and it's largely funded by the United States. But America first Donald Trump thinks it's a very bad deal.

With Ukraine on the back foot against Moscow and European security in jeopardy, NATO has got a new chief, Mark Rutter, who's been dubbed the Trump whisperer. In his first major speech in his new job, he's called for NATO members to switch to a wartime mindset and seriously boost defence spending. Can he save NATO by persuading the incoming US president to stay on board?

With Ukraine on the back foot against Moscow and European security in jeopardy, NATO has got a new chief, Mark Rutter, who's been dubbed the Trump whisperer. In his first major speech in his new job, he's called for NATO members to switch to a wartime mindset and seriously boost defence spending. Can he save NATO by persuading the incoming US president to stay on board?

With me today is the BBC's defence correspondent, Jonathan Beale. Hi, Jonathan.

With me today is the BBC's defence correspondent, Jonathan Beale. Hi, Jonathan.

Jonathan, where you are in Ukraine, I mean, it's a very, very tense situation. I mean, we're talking about survival here. So are people paying attention to a new Secretary General of NATO or a speech he might choose to give?

Jonathan, where you are in Ukraine, I mean, it's a very, very tense situation. I mean, we're talking about survival here. So are people paying attention to a new Secretary General of NATO or a speech he might choose to give?

Yes, because there's a lot of talk right now, isn't there, about possible ceasefires. We'll talk about Donald Trump returning to the White House in a minute and what that could mean. And Ukraine is insisting on security guarantees. It believes that comes from NATO. I mean, Jonathan, just tell us a little bit, a potted history about NATO. It was born after the Second World War, wasn't it?

Yes, because there's a lot of talk right now, isn't there, about possible ceasefires. We'll talk about Donald Trump returning to the White House in a minute and what that could mean. And Ukraine is insisting on security guarantees. It believes that comes from NATO. I mean, Jonathan, just tell us a little bit, a potted history about NATO. It was born after the Second World War, wasn't it?