Katriona O'Sullivan

I've been there twice.

And I heard that like Marion Keys would never apply to go there because she doesn't feel that she would fit in there.

That's not a place for someone like her.

I'm like, she's one of our most best selling authors.

People love her books.

And yet she would judge herself in that in that level of where you fit in terms of being an artist.

Yes.

And for me, I think if you're producing stories and they're accessible and enjoyable and people like them, then you're definitely an artist and a writer.

It was always tough for me to write academically.

So like I'm extremely successful as an academic writer.

There's judgment there as well.

So we get ranked.

So where you publish your books, there's rankings attached to it and them rankings are public to people.

And so they have impact factors, which means how much people read them and the level of impact.

And like I've published in the most impactful journals, which it makes me apparently a brilliant academic.

But writing for academia always was really difficult for me.

I always kind of went against it.

my idea of what good writing is.

Like for me, good writing is accessible and compulsive and keeps you interested.

Whereas in academia, you're kind of taught in some ways to take the person out of it, be as objective as possible.