Katty Kay

Yeah, of course, Confidence Man.

We talked about it.

We did a series on Trump and we talked to Maggie for it.

I mean, you speak to a lot of people who are around Trump and you covered the White House for years.

Do you get any sense that he's going into this meeting and kind of juggling the Iran situation, which doesn't seem to be going well for him, realizing that in the eyes of the Chinese,

The United States of America, the great United States of America, the biggest economy in the world, the biggest military in the world, has just been brought to its knees by a second-rate power.

Do you think he doesn't go realizing that?

Because we know he would have liked this wrapped up, that he is frustrated with the war, right?

Exactly.

So the logic of that is that you then set it for hoping that it's finished.

But it hasn't finished.

It's like Sun Tzu in The Art of War, you know, when you're weak, appear strong.

He doesn't actually think that he appears weak.

He thinks that he appears strong.

What do you make of the rejection of the news this morning that Trump is not happy with what the Iranians have proposed?

And what's your understanding of the conversations in the White House around what America's options are now?

Because it seems...

To me, there's a great piece I would recommend everyone read, Checkmate on Iran.

It's in The Atlantic, Robert Kagan, who is a big, longtime Iran hawk.

He is now saying it is time to accept defeat and pull out of this situation, which has not done any favors for Donald Trump.