Ken Foy

We walked down so multiple corridors and through so many locked doors.

It wasn't...

Where we were, there wasn't a kind of a main reception area, if you like.

Yes, well, as one of the governors said during the tour, actually when we were observing one of the videos and he just pointed out there's no quality control, as we do know with illegal drugs.

And they're actually very worried about a bad batch coming in, like what happened in Port Leash.

Yeah.

And another concern in relation to all that, and really, unlike the UK, where it's kind of taken a big hold in the prison system.

Yeah.

Spice, it's a cannabis opiate.

Yeah.

It hasn't really featured too much here, but the...

Governor Tracy, who was previously governor in Mountjoy... This is Dave Tracy.

It is, yeah.

He was saying... I was asking him, had he ever come across Spice?

And he said he came across suspected Spice in Mountjoy Prison when he was governor there.

And it led to kind of... He was saying drugs in general can lead to very bizarre behaviour and bad behaviour.

But in this instance, it led to three of the inmates...

they ended up cutting out their own legs.

Yeah, yeah.

I was asking why, no reason was ever given, and they said it was just totally out of character for them.