Ken Foy

I know it's quite a big complex.

Yeah, yeah.

And overcrowding, of course, is a massive problem there.

But having been on a similar kind of tour of Clover Hill more than two years ago, it's not as bad there.

Yeah.

So we were brought in, shown a few cells.

And one thing, Niall, you'd notice...

Again, overcrowding is a big problem and senior prison staff say that apart from hand-in-hand with the drugs problem, it's the main reason for this increase in violence.

But being shown the various kind of cells, there was a very stark contrast between...

the living conditions that you could... There was no prisoners now in Nanny D cells when we were visiting, but they were being used.

There was a huge contrast between the living conditions for a prisoner in a single cell compared to...

what's described as doubling up.

And the prison governor was... He made a point about how when you're kind of forced to share a cell with somebody, it just increases a lot of... It can cause a lot of tension to increase.

You know, the various little...

It can be snoring.

It can be disputes over TV.

It can be smoking.

All these kind of things.

And don't forget the toilet is there open in the corner of the room.

There is bunk beds and there's also mattresses on the floor, depending on the setup of the cell.