Kevin Maguire

It would be like the Irish Sea being a couple of inches as deep.

They got fewer than 34% of the boats.

It was always there midterms.

Well, that always happens.

But this does seem to be different because the Nigel Farage Reform Party can

can win where even the Conservatives under Boris Johnson couldn't win.

But it is interesting that the Greens seem to be eating Labour's lunch and taking more of Labour's votes than Reform.

Reform are still taking votes from the Conservatives.

And yes, some from Labour in Northern Ireland.

England, Heartlands and elsewhere.

But the big problem for Labour, and this is where it becomes existential, and John McDonnell, who was a left-wing Labour MP, he was the Shadow Chancellor under Jeremy Corbyn, is saying that it could be the future of the Labour Party at stake here because it's being attacked from the left by the Greens and from the right by reform.

I think there'll be lots of criticism, intensifying criticism in the short term.

But I think by the time the Labour Party gets to the autumn and its party conference, I think that's when he will be challenged.

But the question is, how much of that is bottom-up?

It's almost as if cabinet ministers are waiting for a revolt of the MPs, while the MPs are waiting for a revolt by the cabinet ministers.

It's who leads and who goes first.

No, I think that's right.

I think we're in uncharted territory.

We keep looking back at old maps and they're not entirely helpful going forward because there are, in England, five main parties, Reform, Labour, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and Greens.

And you go to Scotland and Wales and that goes up to six with Plaid Cymru and the SNP.