Kevin McCloud

And the only way I could describe it was an Antipodean DeLorean.

Oh, right, I remember.

Seeing it there in place, it was extraordinary and it's exactly like people loved it and it captured their imagination and it was a gift.

That's for you to work out.

No, I'd say no.

Maybe people don't understand all those things and it doesn't really matter, does it?

And the architect designed project homes, weren't they?

I have, yeah.

Embedding a pottery.

I mean, no one assembles things, I think, as beautifully as you do.

Thank you to John and Susan Wardle actually for having us in their home.

And the conversations that go on constantly in their homes are always about family.

They're always talking about their children.

always talking about how the buildings are working for them, for their kids, for their grandchildren.

He's not someone who's just so obsessed with finding pieces of pottery by the side of the road and putting them on a sideboard that he can't think of anything else.

I appreciate everything about people's homes and I'm really envious of homes because I just think this is what someone wants and that's what they've worked for or that's their desires.

The one thing I'm envious about

I think it's the only time I've really been envious of anyone's homes.

I'm envious of the craftsmanship, which is very different to saying I'm envious of the size, the location, the scale, the sofa.

I'll never live in a house that's...