Kevin McCloud

So whatever, you know, however you define the cassette versus the digital, it seems to me the more analog you put in to the process, the more human friendly it is.

So it's not just listening with a pair of earphones, which of course are turning digital into analog, but you're also kind of flipping the cassette and pressing the buttons and they all make a noise.

And maybe we should have had a cassette.

We should have needed a Walkman here just to press all the buttons.

Because if I press all the buttons on my phone, let me just press this button.

No one can hear that.

I've never heard or seen a dove cry.

It's very plaintive.

If I've got the right teeth in, I can do a seagull.

Very quiet, though.

You have to ask for silence in the room.

That's a bit of a killer.

Do you know, I've been talking to a lot of seagulls about this.

And I've been talking to a lot of people about this.

And here's the thing, right?

So everybody sort of knows what a cassette is, right?

I talked to my daughter.

who's younger than 30, and I said, we're getting them made.

They're in a factory, they're just producing them.

She said, what do you mean?