Kevin Rose

And so that's kind of like...

I hate the word venture capital.

I think it's evil.

It feels evil these days.

First of all, I'd try to talk everyone out of taking money.

And if they do need money, especially hardware companies need a lot of money, then they should find someone that's also building and that's built stuff at scale, not just because somebody has a great pedigree.

Does that make any sense at all?

Yeah, 100%.

We invested in a company called Sandbar that's doing this AI ring.

I don't know if you've seen the prototypes for it.

But it's really cool.

I can't remember how much we put in.

It was close to $10 million or something like that.

But it turns out to do the tooling, to go and get that to scale, those are real dollars still required to pull that off.

done like you got an office here so come hang and thanks for having me on appreciate it and thanks for all the work you've been doing in this space man it's like I know we don't talk that often except for like the random DMs and stuff but I see you all over X and the content and stuff that you're putting out it's absolutely fantastic thanks man just trying to create some signal out in the world of noise it's great well maybe the nylon app will identify that and put it in front of more people exactly that's what I'm hoping alright take care Kevin take care