Kristin Demoranville
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first heard Jun 2024
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I don't think that's something that we even think about. It's not top of mind, if you will. but it's so interconnected to everything else. And if one bit of the system fails, it could topple over the rest of it. We'll be right back after a short break. Thank you for being here and listening to the show.
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That's something that I really want the listeners to hear is how interconnected we are. And a lot of us who are listening are also cybersecurity and technology. We, by nature, should understand system thinking because if you affect something on one end of a system, it's going to cause another problem on the other.
Where you can't just make changes in isolation, you have to go through change management and have a conversation with others. And everybody knows you don't make changes in production. You do it in a test environment. That kind of thing is all interconnected. You don't want to mess it up. The same goes for our actual human systems.
how we work and how we live in the world this is why kyle i'm really excited for you to be here because not only are we going to talking about food security in general but the fact that it's the systems thinking that's so key and critical to solving some of these problems and also helping people be resilient through these problems which is ultimately the goal a cyber attack is is eminent at all times but being resilient being able to stay resilient through that moment is what's the most important part not if it's going to happen it's going to happen and saying that
I really want to talk about how the technological advancements in both supply chain, agriculture, everything in that regard, how are they helping these threats to food insecurity?
That's right. It really is. That's well said. And I think that technology is supposed to help solve a problem, right? Whether it's you need more yield or you want to do precision farming or you want to be more sustainable, you're going to need tech for that. But if it is working for you and there's nothing wrong, then why add to that problem?
Why introduce a new attack vector into your life, if you will? I do think more technology will be introduced to these places, though, over time, of course.
I do think that there are some things that farmers will gravitate towards once they trust the process of it, like drones, for example, for monitoring pests or various other types of activities, IoT fire sensors and soil erosion sensors, those kind of things I could see being added without much fuss. But the problem becomes is,
How do you teach a farmer to be a cybersecurity expert and information technology expert? They're not going to do that. That's not right. That's not for them to know either. So there needs to be better systems put into place that help them stay resilient without adding more problem to their life.
That's something that I often struggle with, especially having conversations with various practitioners and people in the industry is everybody wants to throw tech at it. And I don't always think that's the answer either, Kyle.
I think that we need to take a long look at the ramifications of throwing tech at certain environments that it doesn't need to be there necessarily, or come up with a better plan of attack, actually have a strategy. And what does the next 10 years look like? Are we going to need this type of support? Is it common practice? Is it trusted in the area? Is it well-documented?
Have people done peer-reviewed studies on it? Those kinds of things, rather than I just want the new shiny and I want to spend so much money when we all know that parts of agriculture are very touch and go in terms of finances. So I think something like the tractors will probably be more technology as a start in some of these places first since
I'm assuming at some point they're going to just not make analog tractors anymore and it will all be some type of computer situation, just like cars of past to present. I think that's going to be interesting, especially since the whole situation with John Deere a couple of years back and how farmers had to hack their own tractors, which I still think is incredible.
Thank God they don't have to do that anymore.
Yeah, my houseplants and I have an interesting relationship for sure. Absolutely. The tribal knowledge is so important. And I'm sure a lot of people will hear this, especially in OT and ICS security. We all know that the people that have been in those facilities for 30, 40 years are your most critical assets, ultimately, because they're the ones carrying the most knowledge.
Same goes true with the generation of farming families that are now dwindling, unfortunately. But you're right. Technology will actually make a difference when it comes to that vertical farming. It's all run on IoT. I think that the greenhouse companies are doing quite well. I know that the indoor ag space is becoming quite large, especially in the U.S.
And it's also solving some other problems like E. coli contamination runoff isn't a problem in a greenhouse setting, right? Because there's no cattle there or any other livestock that could contaminate the said lettuce. It's also, like you said, making it local. So transportation takes less time. There's less, there's just less faff, right? It's easy to get things around.
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