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Lauren Feiner

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

And they're doing so even with Section 230 in place, even without COSA.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

I'm going to be really interested to see which way that argument goes and if that kind of speeds up or slows momentum in either direction.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

I think there are really a lot of Democrats who support COSA and really are fully on board with those kinds of changes to the law and definitely have acknowledged some of the critiques around that, you know, this might harm marginalized communities or make it harder to access certain kinds of content that might get politicized on the internet.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

But

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

generally just think that those have been pretty much dealt with in the language of the statute.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

It's not really going to come to pass.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

And they've just accepted that they feel like this is the best way forward.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

I mean, certainly not all Democrats.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

You know, obviously, Ron Wyden, who co-authored Section 230, has not supported COSA.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

there really is broad bipartisan support for these kinds of issues.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

So I think that's going to be the challenge for some of the hardliners on Section 230 and against COSA right now to think, like, is it that there's never going to be anything that changes on these issues, or is there going to be some kind of change and we have to figure out what we can live with?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

I think that's kind of the new Wild West that we're going to be running into here with probably new lawsuits.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

But I think even Ron Wyden, who we've discussed many times today, has said that AI outputs aren't necessarily protected by Section 230.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

I think those will likely be treated differently.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

I mean, we won't really know till we see a court case come out on it.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

But I think that's going to be a big question.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

And I think the thing to remember with Section 230 is that it's really a procedural tool that stops lawsuits kind of in their tracks.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

And how cases get decided in the end is based on the First Amendment.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

So unless you're going to get rid of the First Amendment, getting rid of Section 230 doesn't really completely get rid of the problems that maybe some people think they would.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?

Casey, I think that's exactly the right question about algorithms, because I think it's much easier to make the argument that infinite scroll or autoplay, it's not really about content.