Laurence Holmes

It doesn't seem as much about Green Bay as it does about Matt LaFleur.

I don't know why.

But if that's the way that he handles it...

Okay, if that's how he can get his hands and his feelings on this rivalry.

Metaphorically speaking.

Metaphorically, yes.

And I'll just say that I listened to Matt LaFleur on the Pivot podcast back in August, and I thought he was great.

I was like, I like this guy.

He seems like he's a really interesting guy with a great –

I haven't done a deep dive yet or anything.

If you look at the careers of LaFleur and Shanahan and McVay and Johnson and McDaniel, they're all similar but not the same.

They all had, at some point, they were the man.

Ben was a state championship quarterback.

And didn't McVay win player of the year once?

Was it over Calvin Johnson in Georgia?

I think he won Georgia State Player of the Year over him.

So they all have got these stories.

LeFleur was a quarterback in college, and McDaniel played in the Ivy League.

These are high achievers.

Yeah, these are really high achievers all the way around.