Lee Jussim
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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast · 507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim · 16 Dec 2024
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It's insane. It's insane.
There are measurement issues across the board, but that is with respect to both left- and right-wing authoritarianism. There are questionnaires, commonly used questionnaires, to assess right-wing authoritarianism and to assess left-wing authoritarianism. They're different. The reason—let me give a little context— For a long time, people tried to develop nonpartisan politics.
authoritarianism scales if authoritarianism right psychological construct rather than a political one right and they couldn't really do it right because one of the core toxic elements of authoritarianism is a motivation to crush deprive of humanity and human rights one's political opponents
So you need to assess either right or left-wing authoritarianism vis-a-vis the attitudes towards one's opponents in order to measure the construct.
I say they have not succeeded. Actually, one of my current graduate students is... for her master's thesis in the process of trying to develop a nonpartisan authoritarianism scale. Based on that idea. Yes, based on that idea. I don't know if she's going to succeed.
So the first step forward, To do that is to develop scales that – survey questions that adequately get at left or right-wing authoritarianism and then correlate them with things measuring narcissism or sadism or whatever. People have done that on the left, and it does correlate with left-wing authoritarianism. Yeah. I don't know, you know, you never know for sure the limits of your own knowledge.
I don't know if anyone has even tried to do this on the right, or maybe they have and it doesn't actually correspond with narcissism on the right. It corresponds with other things on the right, but not so much with, well, if there's evidence on narcissism correlating with right-wing authoritarianism, I don't know it.
Yes.
Absolutely. Okay, so back to your research. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so first of all, let me be clear. We're... Other than my student, Sonia, who is trying to develop a nonpartisan authoritarianism scale, the work that we have done using either left-wing or right-wing authoritarianism scales are scales developed by other people. We haven't developed the scales.
Adequate for right, yes, and pretty good for left. Even though the research on left is much more recent, you might think it would be, therefore, less well-established. There's two teams, one led by Luke Conway and a different one led by Tom Costello, have done a lot of very good, both psychometric—
sort of statistical assessment of how things hang together and also validity assessment of their two slightly different, somewhat different scales.
How do you miss that?
How are you investigating this? Well, it does depend on the study. So this is one good one that I think I can describe shortly, quickly. We administered cartoons, like political cartoons, as if they were memes, like social media memes to an online sample, about a thousand people, um, and ask them how much they liked the cartoons and memes and which, and we, we told them, uh,
to vote for their favorite because the one that received the most votes, we would actually post on social media. Now, that was a lie. It was deception, and we explained that at the end. But we wanted them to believe that when they were selecting something, that this was as close as we could get to a behavior. It was close to them posting it. They believed their vote could influence what we posted.
Right, right. So it was a real-world outcome. A real-world quasi-behavioral. Of something that would be promoted. Rather than just, like, liking or disliking. Right, right. Or self-report that they believe something. That's right. So two of the—I'm going to describe two of the cartoons, which were quite a contrast to each other.
We actually had a set kind of like the first and a set like the second. Okay. But I can describe the two quickly enough. Okay. The first was actually a political propaganda cartoon from the Soviet Union. We didn't tell them that, from the 1930s, 1940s, anti-American propaganda. But we didn't tell them that. We just presented the cartoon, which showed a long-distance shot of this.
And the top panel was a long-distance shot of the Statue of Liberty. The bottom panel was a close-up of her head and her crown, and the spires of the crown were KKK members. People dressed in KKK whatever. Right, right, right.
Right, so that's a power reference. Typical Marxist trope. Yes, right, okay. That was one. And then the second... was an image of a diverse group of people. People, different racial and ethnic groups, wearing clothes for different professions. It might be a bus driver or a businessman or a secretary or a teacher or whatever.
There were a whole bunch of different kinds of people in obviously different roles, kind of in a crowd with their arms around each other under an American flag. sort of pluralistic diversity. That's kind of humanistic form of diversity. And then we simply ask people, you know, we ask them, which ones do you like the most? Which ones do you want to share on social media?
Yes, exactly. That's right.
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