Lee Jussim

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast · 507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim · 16 Dec 2024 podcast

It's not focused entirely on any subset of the population. That would be a very simple example of Hummel's point. I was asked to do a commentary I did.

Completely different. Completely different. That was part of Hummel's critique. But I guess, again, the editor invited me to publish a commentary on this exchange and The title of my commentary was, is, it eventually got published, is Diversity is Diverse. Because there's lots of different kinds of diversity.

And if we're arguing for diversity on scientific grounds, then what the science needs to be is fully representative of the, whether it's the participants or the topics, or it goes way beyond diversity. I mean, repression is a part of that and shouldn't be excluded, but it's only one piece of that. So I basically was in agreement with Hamel's critique and augmented it. As part of that, I critiqued

progressive academic rhetoric around diversity as disingenuous and hypocritical. And the way I framed that, the way I captured it, was using a quote from Fiddler on the Roof. So in Fiddler on the Roof, which is what, early 20th century Jewish life in the

Everyone should watch it. Probably its most famous song is Tradition, which is about the importance of tradition and keeping the community together. But then there were exceptions. So there's an interlude in the song Tradition where the villagers get into an argument because one chimes in, there was a time he sold him a horse but delivered a mule.

And I use that to frame my discussion of progressive disingenuousness. They all disintegrate into fractious arguments in the middle of this song about unity when that comes up. When that comes up, that's right. Yeah, yeah. That's right.

And I argued in this paper that the way and the reason that's a good metaphor for progressive rhetoric around diversity is that diversity sound, you know, superficially, it sounds good to a lot of people, right? Because who doesn't want to be included? No matter what group you're a member of, the idea that someone is advocating for diversity, you know, it's kind of appealing. And

Yes, with two seconds of thought, it's a positive thing.

Arbitrary exclusion. Yeah, of arbitrary exclusion. That's right. That's right. And, for example, one thing you might—one might think if one had a little bit of knowledge is that, especially in the social sciences and humanities, but really in academia writ large, there's hardly anyone who is not left of center. I mean, the range goes from sort of center-left to the far, far left. I have a—

No one disagrees with that claim. Well, so Nate Honeycutt, my former student, he's now a research scientist at FIRE, the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, did a dissertation on this. He surveyed almost 2,000 faculty nationwide at the top colleges and universities and found that

So this is the extreme left. This is no longer just like Democrats or liberals. This is nearly half on the far left. And that was a sample of how many people? It was almost 2,000. Yeah. Yeah.

I have looked into this. It's hundreds of thousands. I don't know the number. I don't remember.

I don't know if you could go that far because he looked at the top colleges and universities. If you wanted to generalize to all colleges and universities, you would have to include community colleges and, you know, primarily liberal arts.

Okay, we don't know. I don't know.

So one might think, if someone is advocating for diversity, given the extreme political skew and given the extent to which academia deals with politicized topics, that there would be an embrace of people, an attempt to bring into academia diversity professors, researchers, scholars, teachers from across the political spectrum. That has never gotten any traction in academia.

And in fact, it's gone in the complete opposite direction. If you go back 50, 60 years, I think it's fair to describe the way academia has functioned is to produce a slow-moving purge of conservatives and even people center and libertarians from its ranks. So...

My point in this commentary was using things like that as examples of the disingenuousness of progressive rhetoric around diversity, that it wasn't really diversity in the broadest sense.

It's like rejected. It's worse than off the table. So that was my paper. And... There's more to the story than this, but to keep this succinct, eventually what happened was almost 1,400 academics, probably mostly psychologists, signed an open letter denouncing – So my paper was one of several commentaries. All of the commentaries were critical of this oppression framing of diversity. All of them.

All of them were. And this was in POPS? Yeah, Perspectives on Psych Science.

Yes, I do know this history. Okay, okay. In the first place, APS started out as the American Psychological Society. They changed their name to the Association for Psychological Science in an attempt to be broader. And what triggered the breakaway of APS from APA in the 90s, maybe? 90s, yeah, I think so. It wasn't political.

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