Lee Jussim
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first heard Dec 2024
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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast · 507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim · 16 Dec 2024
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It was the scientists who formed APS believed that APA was too focused on clinical practice and practitioner issues. Right. And it was becoming unscientific, but not because of the politics.
Yeah, I think that's fair.
It's probably worse politically, but it's probably not worse practically because social psychologists don't really – aren't responsible for helping anybody get on with their lives. I mean they're responsible for teaching and students and things. They're not – typically they're not – They are responsible for implicit bias, technically.
that's all we can you're gonna get me you are gonna get me distracted you started by asking me to tell the story of my yeah yeah let's continue with that yes okay so now you're there's 1400 people who write a letter yes declaring all of us me as well as uh the other commentators we're all racists yeah um the editor should be fired and our articles should be taken down they
Yes.
It was 1,400. I mean, I didn't recognize many of the names. But if you assume the first five or ten names are the likely organizers, those were all well-established psychologists, especially social psychologists. Okay, social. Okay. Yes. So you got a backlash from— A huge backlash. And part of the accusation for me in particular was that by using this—
from Fiddler on the Roof, there was a time he sold him a horse but delivered a mule, as a frame for progressive disingenuousness around diversity, I was comparing black people to mules.
So this is very new. Actually, part of this backstory is very interesting. The editor of the journal at the time is a European psychologist named Klaus Fiedler. Klaus Fiedler is very accomplished. He's an unbelievably honest. Hundreds of journal articles, multiple editorships and awards published. He was the editor overseeing all this.
And my and the other commentaries that he eventually accepted started out as simple reviews. So when Hamel submitted his paper, it was subjected to peer review. I was one of the peer reviewers. Oh, yeah. So was one of the other. Fiedler so liked the reviews that he asked all of us to scale them up to full-length articles.
But I warned Fiedler, the editor, in my review before...
anyone had the idea that a version of my review would get published, that if he accepted Hamel's critique of the way in which psychologists write and think about diversity, what they've been advocating with respect to diversity, that he would be at heightened risk of people coming after him, demanding the papers be retracted, and coming after his job. This is in my review.
I'd have to go back. I think I may have taken it out because it wasn't really appropriate because the commentary wasn't... It was about the exchange. It wasn't a message to the editor. Fine. I mean, it's not necessarily the case that it would stick. Yeah. So, Firestorm... APS, the executive director or committee of APS, whatever that group is, of committee, put an immediate kibosh on this.
It was going to be all published as a... As a discussion forum. That's how Fiedler framed it, as a discussion forum about diversity issues. They put an immediate halt. Okay, who's they? It's the officers of the Association for Psychological Science.
No, they don't. And shouldn't. And shouldn't, right. But the editor is, to some extent, beholden. I mean, that's who he's working for.
Well, so the open letter had two main demands. They weren't even required, they were demands. That Fiedler be fired and the papers be retracted.
They conducted what looked to me, and really to all of us involved, like a kangaroo court, you know, into what happened. They concluded that Fiedler had somehow violated editorial ethics and norms. Which is a serious accusation. Yes. Like a career-ending accusation, if it's true. Yes. Well, he's had a very nice career since, so it did not succeed.
Yes, exactly. That's right. So he was ousted almost immediately. And then the papers, mine included, that were part of Fiedler's discussion forum... And that had been published. They had been accepted but not published.
Okay, okay. Accepted but not published. That's right.
Someone must have, you know, maybe through the... The editorial process is largely online, so I'm sure they could have accessed the papers through the online editorial process. I'm sure they could have asked Fiedler for the papers. Had they asked us for the papers, I would have... Well, they weren't secret. They weren't secret. Yeah, they weren't secret. I mean, people looked.
They were publishing their papers so that people would read them.
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