Lee Jussim

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast · 507. The Insanity of Woke Psychologists | Lee Jussim · 16 Dec 2024 podcast

Right, exactly. It was accepted, but not published. So they ousted him almost immediately. And then the papers, they brought in two special... editors to figure out what to do with the papers accepted as part of the discussion forum. And who were these special editors and what made them special? Well, there was Samin Vazir and E.J. Wagenmacher.

And both of them, I think Samin is now the head editor at Psychological Science. So they both have had long careers advocating with some success for upgrading the and credibility and rigor of psychological science. They both have made important contributions that way. And so I think that's why they were brought in. They had a certain cachet as able to figure out what to do.

I think that's what the APS directory believed.

Like, from their perspective— Are you willing to speculate? Well, so, sure. The main object of Hummel's critique was a— black or biracial social psychologist at Stanford, Stephen Roberts. And Roberts denounced the whole process as racist. Publicly. Okay, okay. Publicly. And I do think that... On what grounds?

He probably had three main grounds. Yeah. That was one of them. Absolutely. You know, you criticize this. This shows that you're racist. Racism is pervasive throughout psychology. Right. That would be one ground. Second ground was my use of this, me comparing blacks to mules with, you know, there was a time he sold him a horse and delivered a mule.

And then the third was, there was a considerable, so Fiedler offered- Kind of missing the point of that. I know, yeah, right. Fiedler offered Roberts the opportunity to respond to the full set of papers, which were supporting, were generally supporting Hamel's critique of, which was really about diversity in general, but its jumping-off point was a prior paper by Roberts. Okay, got it.

But it gave Roberts a chance to reply to the critiques. But there was a considerable back-and-forth between Roberts and Fiedler about whether, when, and how to publish Roberts' response. Okay. That... Feedlow was probably kind of a pain in the ass.

But in my experience, editors, I don't know how many times, I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times I have subjectively experienced editors' comments as pains in the ass.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? But whatever. But those were his grounds for denouncing all of us as racist. Fiedler made his life difficult. This whole critique of diversity is a testament to white supremacy pervasive in psychology and me comparing black people to mules. Yeah, okay, got it. Right, that was the grounds. And you asked me to speculate...

I have no, I don't have, I have at best very circumstantial evidence. I may not even have circumstantial evidence. I strongly suspect, I would really like to test this in the lab or in surveys, that liberals, especially white liberals,

are so wracked with guilt and shame over the bona fide history of white supremacy and discrimination and oppression in the United States, in Europe, and especially in the UK, it's more about colonialism, right? Are so wracked with guilt that there is a vulnerability to just believing

Anything a person from one of these oppressed, stigmatized groups says, denouncing others... Yeah, well, it's a very quick and easy way to signify the fact that you're not part of the oppressor camp.

Well, it needs to be. Yes, I agree. It totally needs to be.

Right.

Also zero. Yes, zero.

Well, so, you know, you... I mostly agree, certainly in the short term, the personal consequences of engaging in this sort of denunciation behavior are non-existent. But the consequences are not non-existent. So... The credibility and trust and faith in academia has been in decline for a very long time. People hate this kind of stuff.

I was recently listening to your interview for this podcast with Keith Campbell on narcissism.

And that was one of the things you talked about, this sort of impulse control and short-term benefits versus long-term benefits, especially regarding social relations. Yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah, yeah. Reputation's a long-term game. It's a long-term game. Yeah, yeah.

And there has been emerging evidence that people high in left-wing authoritarianism, sort of extreme— Now that we all agree that that exists, which only started in 2016. I know, I know. Yeah. That's a whole back story. That's for sure. But it's correlated with narcissism. And that this pleasure that people on this sort of cancel culture that has emerged.

I mean, the right is not immune to cancel culture type activities. But it emerged primarily originally on the left.

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