Leslie John

I just was like, in my mind, what I thought is like, really?

We're literally in a steel vault and we can't just be real, like have a real moment of kind of shared feeling that would make us both feel more relaxed.

And it's interesting, this idea that a reciprocity, the sting of a reciprocity failure lingers because

We see each other regularly at conferences.

He's very accomplished.

And I'm sure he's a really nice guy.

But I've never felt the urge to, like, go chat him up.

And I think I would attribute it to that.

Exactly.

And so imagine if we play the other route of imagine if he had reciprocated and been like, I know, I just had this crazy interview.

Can you believe it?

This person said that or blah, blah, blah.

Like a moment, a moment like that.

Imagine we could have been lifelong friends.

Yeah.

So I think a big reason is that secrets are not visible.

We don't see all of the secrets that people are holding.

It makes us feel like we're the only ones that hold secrets, which makes them even more kind of clandestine, right?

And they take an even bigger toll on us.

It's interesting.