Leslie John

In that sense, it would be what consumers demand.

It wouldn't be disingenuous.

I think one of the things I was reacting to in my mind that I bristled against, the feeling of you're being, like, gaslit as a consumer.

That it's like— Or a campaign.

That's what I mean.

It's like, no, symmetry is objectively beautiful.

Like we can agree, but I think you can do this in a genuine way.

someone who is not classically beautiful.

Yeah, don't tell people that they can't like the symmetrical person.

So interesting.

The advantage of being beautiful, the social benefits, which is that people are nicer to you.

They smile to you.

And I think that's also not just bestowed on people that are beautiful, but also bestowed on famous people, on celebrities.

That's a great point.

You adapt to people's faces.

Yeah.

I think this may be an area where there's huge individual differences.

For me, I'm just thinking of my first marriage, great guy, amazing person.

I never had the, like, I want to rip.

And I felt ashamed of that for a long time because he is such a wonderful person.