Leslie Kean

We had an exclusive source, basically, who gave us slides that were shown to, you know, within the Pentagon, showing or naming, actually mentioning recovery, material recoveries of UFO remains, retrievals. This phenomenon does not lend itself to documentation for whatever reason.

We had an exclusive source, basically, who gave us slides that were shown to, you know, within the Pentagon, showing or naming, actually mentioning recovery, material recoveries of UFO remains, retrievals. This phenomenon does not lend itself to documentation for whatever reason.

We had an exclusive source, basically, who gave us slides that were shown to, you know, within the Pentagon, showing or naming, actually mentioning recovery, material recoveries of UFO remains, retrievals. This phenomenon does not lend itself to documentation for whatever reason.

Well, they keep putting up the original videos that we had, you know, the Navy videos. And, yeah, I mean, we keep getting told that we changed the paradigm. I try not to believe all that stuff, but it was satisfying.

Well, they keep putting up the original videos that we had, you know, the Navy videos. And, yeah, I mean, we keep getting told that we changed the paradigm. I try not to believe all that stuff, but it was satisfying.

Well, they keep putting up the original videos that we had, you know, the Navy videos. And, yeah, I mean, we keep getting told that we changed the paradigm. I try not to believe all that stuff, but it was satisfying.

Well, as you know, George and Jeremy, timing has a lot to do with it, and we were fortunate to come in at a very good time. I mean, for example, today, with everything going on with Trump, it's not a great time to get UFO stories, UAP stories into the paper. There's just too much noise out there, too much competition.

Well, as you know, George and Jeremy, timing has a lot to do with it, and we were fortunate to come in at a very good time. I mean, for example, today, with everything going on with Trump, it's not a great time to get UFO stories, UAP stories into the paper. There's just too much noise out there, too much competition.

Well, as you know, George and Jeremy, timing has a lot to do with it, and we were fortunate to come in at a very good time. I mean, for example, today, with everything going on with Trump, it's not a great time to get UFO stories, UAP stories into the paper. There's just too much noise out there, too much competition.

So this happened to come at a good time, and I must say we had, you know, some very good people at the Times. I had left... the staff officially in 2009, but I kept up my contacts. And in 2017, the stars came into alignment. Dean Baquet was the executive editor. I went to him. I knew him. You know the story. Leslie had gone down to Washington, D.C.

So this happened to come at a good time, and I must say we had, you know, some very good people at the Times. I had left... the staff officially in 2009, but I kept up my contacts. And in 2017, the stars came into alignment. Dean Baquet was the executive editor. I went to him. I knew him. You know the story. Leslie had gone down to Washington, D.C.

So this happened to come at a good time, and I must say we had, you know, some very good people at the Times. I had left... the staff officially in 2009, but I kept up my contacts. And in 2017, the stars came into alignment. Dean Baquet was the executive editor. I went to him. I knew him. You know the story. Leslie had gone down to Washington, D.C.

and had this meeting with Lou Elizondo and others and learned about the secret program. We called it ATIP. We now know it really had a you know, earlier incarnation as OSAP, which you guys have never let me forget. But so she found out about this program and that, you know, the government was supposedly out of the UFO business with Blue Book at the end of 69. But of course, they weren't.

and had this meeting with Lou Elizondo and others and learned about the secret program. We called it ATIP. We now know it really had a you know, earlier incarnation as OSAP, which you guys have never let me forget. But so she found out about this program and that, you know, the government was supposedly out of the UFO business with Blue Book at the end of 69. But of course, they weren't.

and had this meeting with Lou Elizondo and others and learned about the secret program. We called it ATIP. We now know it really had a you know, earlier incarnation as OSAP, which you guys have never let me forget. But so she found out about this program and that, you know, the government was supposedly out of the UFO business with Blue Book at the end of 69. But of course, they weren't.

They kept the a very high level of interest. So Leslie found out about that and told me and even though I was off the staff, I had been working on my John Mack book since basically 2004.

They kept the a very high level of interest. So Leslie found out about that and told me and even though I was off the staff, I had been working on my John Mack book since basically 2004.

They kept the a very high level of interest. So Leslie found out about that and told me and even though I was off the staff, I had been working on my John Mack book since basically 2004.

So it was not a topic that was totally foreign to me but she surprised me by telling me that the government was very much in the UFO business and not only that but Lou Elizondo had submitted a letter of resignation to Jim Mattis, Defense Secretary, because he was so ticked off at the opposition he was getting. So there were a lot of elements to the story that were really of high interest.

So it was not a topic that was totally foreign to me but she surprised me by telling me that the government was very much in the UFO business and not only that but Lou Elizondo had submitted a letter of resignation to Jim Mattis, Defense Secretary, because he was so ticked off at the opposition he was getting. So there were a lot of elements to the story that were really of high interest.