Leslie Kean

Now the government is saying, yeah, there are these objects and we have the technology, which we never had before, of capturing them on video. So I think that's where the emphasis is. The other stuff you just can't document. I get accounts all the time, people calling me up and saying, listen, this happened to me, but I can't do anything with it because there's no proof. So that's where we are.

Now the government is saying, yeah, there are these objects and we have the technology, which we never had before, of capturing them on video. So I think that's where the emphasis is. The other stuff you just can't document. I get accounts all the time, people calling me up and saying, listen, this happened to me, but I can't do anything with it because there's no proof. So that's where we are.

Now the government is saying, yeah, there are these objects and we have the technology, which we never had before, of capturing them on video. So I think that's where the emphasis is. The other stuff you just can't document. I get accounts all the time, people calling me up and saying, listen, this happened to me, but I can't do anything with it because there's no proof. So that's where we are.

But the other part of it, the technology, is really moving ahead pretty quickly. And this stuff as you know that the government has in its coffers that has never been revealed to the public. That's what we're hoping we can get more of because this stuff does exist and the public deserves to know about it.

But the other part of it, the technology, is really moving ahead pretty quickly. And this stuff as you know that the government has in its coffers that has never been revealed to the public. That's what we're hoping we can get more of because this stuff does exist and the public deserves to know about it.

But the other part of it, the technology, is really moving ahead pretty quickly. And this stuff as you know that the government has in its coffers that has never been revealed to the public. That's what we're hoping we can get more of because this stuff does exist and the public deserves to know about it.

Yeah. No, that's clearly the biggest mystery around. But it is the most intractable. And there seems to be no way of documenting it. But what we do have now, not only do we have the military videos that are coming out, but we have whistleblowers coming forward. like David Grush and Jake Barber and others, who are coming forward with really fascinating accounts of interacting with the hardware.

Yeah. No, that's clearly the biggest mystery around. But it is the most intractable. And there seems to be no way of documenting it. But what we do have now, not only do we have the military videos that are coming out, but we have whistleblowers coming forward. like David Grush and Jake Barber and others, who are coming forward with really fascinating accounts of interacting with the hardware.

Yeah. No, that's clearly the biggest mystery around. But it is the most intractable. And there seems to be no way of documenting it. But what we do have now, not only do we have the military videos that are coming out, but we have whistleblowers coming forward. like David Grush and Jake Barber and others, who are coming forward with really fascinating accounts of interacting with the hardware.

And I think that's where the emphasis has to be because there's no shortage of accounts of individual people, ordinary people, interacting with other intelligence and seeing – having alien encounters, et cetera. But it's a dead end for now. We can't document it. We can't prove it. And, you know, as I said, I get these accounts every day, people coming forward with stories.

And I think that's where the emphasis has to be because there's no shortage of accounts of individual people, ordinary people, interacting with other intelligence and seeing – having alien encounters, et cetera. But it's a dead end for now. We can't document it. We can't prove it. And, you know, as I said, I get these accounts every day, people coming forward with stories.

And I think that's where the emphasis has to be because there's no shortage of accounts of individual people, ordinary people, interacting with other intelligence and seeing – having alien encounters, et cetera. But it's a dead end for now. We can't document it. We can't prove it. And, you know, as I said, I get these accounts every day, people coming forward with stories.

But what are you going to do with that? The other stuff, the military stuff, is really much more accessible. And I think that's where we have to put our focus for now.

But what are you going to do with that? The other stuff, the military stuff, is really much more accessible. And I think that's where we have to put our focus for now.

But what are you going to do with that? The other stuff, the military stuff, is really much more accessible. And I think that's where we have to put our focus for now.

He was, and I was gripped by his story. He really risked his reputation. He came from an interesting family. He came from a rather wealthy family. His father was a professor. You know, talk about the strange things that happened. I went to City College. The City College of New York was a public institution, very highly regarded.

He was, and I was gripped by his story. He really risked his reputation. He came from an interesting family. He came from a rather wealthy family. His father was a professor. You know, talk about the strange things that happened. I went to City College. The City College of New York was a public institution, very highly regarded.

He was, and I was gripped by his story. He really risked his reputation. He came from an interesting family. He came from a rather wealthy family. His father was a professor. You know, talk about the strange things that happened. I went to City College. The City College of New York was a public institution, very highly regarded.

And when I was there, John Mack's father was in the English department. Now, I knew his name. I didn't know him. I didn't have a course with him. I certainly didn't ask him about his son, who was at that point not yet investigating UFOs, studying psychiatry. But anyway... So Mac came from this fairly prominent family.

And when I was there, John Mack's father was in the English department. Now, I knew his name. I didn't know him. I didn't have a course with him. I certainly didn't ask him about his son, who was at that point not yet investigating UFOs, studying psychiatry. But anyway... So Mac came from this fairly prominent family.