Leslie Kean

So he gave John a bunch of letters from these people who were responding to Bud's books about, you know, abductions. And John was totally intrigued. And he had the courage, as I said, to pursue it. You know, he could have said, look, this is going to kill me at Harvard. I mean, but he got interested. He collected his own group of people with these stories.

So he gave John a bunch of letters from these people who were responding to Bud's books about, you know, abductions. And John was totally intrigued. And he had the courage, as I said, to pursue it. You know, he could have said, look, this is going to kill me at Harvard. I mean, but he got interested. He collected his own group of people with these stories.

Again, ordinary people, men, women, children, in some cases, two year olds who, you know, said, little man, take me up in the sky. You know, I mean, little kids don't make up, you know, detailed stories like that. Anyway, he was intrigued as a psychiatrist who, by the way, he was no naive pushover for these stories. He had investigated and written a book on nightmares.

Again, ordinary people, men, women, children, in some cases, two year olds who, you know, said, little man, take me up in the sky. You know, I mean, little kids don't make up, you know, detailed stories like that. Anyway, he was intrigued as a psychiatrist who, by the way, he was no naive pushover for these stories. He had investigated and written a book on nightmares.

Again, ordinary people, men, women, children, in some cases, two year olds who, you know, said, little man, take me up in the sky. You know, I mean, little kids don't make up, you know, detailed stories like that. Anyway, he was intrigued as a psychiatrist who, by the way, he was no naive pushover for these stories. He had investigated and written a book on nightmares.

He had studied all kinds of aberrant states of adults and children. So, you know, he was not, you know, some rube who, you know, came across this information and decided to, you know, get good publicity for himself and jump into it. On the contrary, he was reluctant. But the stories would not let him go. And so that was the beginning. And then he started, you know, he got his own group together.

He had studied all kinds of aberrant states of adults and children. So, you know, he was not, you know, some rube who, you know, came across this information and decided to, you know, get good publicity for himself and jump into it. On the contrary, he was reluctant. But the stories would not let him go. And so that was the beginning. And then he started, you know, he got his own group together.

He had studied all kinds of aberrant states of adults and children. So, you know, he was not, you know, some rube who, you know, came across this information and decided to, you know, get good publicity for himself and jump into it. On the contrary, he was reluctant. But the stories would not let him go. And so that was the beginning. And then he started, you know, he got his own group together.

And again, he was not ashamed to tell Harvard pretty soon after he started collecting these stories what was going on. And, of course, that got him into a lot of trouble at Harvard. We can talk about that. But he had the courage of his convictions, and he jumped into it. And, by the way, this... phenomenon remains a mystery. He never solved it. We have not solved it.

And again, he was not ashamed to tell Harvard pretty soon after he started collecting these stories what was going on. And, of course, that got him into a lot of trouble at Harvard. We can talk about that. But he had the courage of his convictions, and he jumped into it. And, by the way, this... phenomenon remains a mystery. He never solved it. We have not solved it.

And again, he was not ashamed to tell Harvard pretty soon after he started collecting these stories what was going on. And, of course, that got him into a lot of trouble at Harvard. We can talk about that. But he had the courage of his convictions, and he jumped into it. And, by the way, this... phenomenon remains a mystery. He never solved it. We have not solved it.

We don't know any more than he did. Just that ordinary people tell very convincing stories with a little bit fragmentary evidence to back it up. Not much, a little. of encounters with other intelligence. So that was the course I followed in this book. I thought that he was very courageous, and he left a wonderful record of his research, which helped me in writing the book.

We don't know any more than he did. Just that ordinary people tell very convincing stories with a little bit fragmentary evidence to back it up. Not much, a little. of encounters with other intelligence. So that was the course I followed in this book. I thought that he was very courageous, and he left a wonderful record of his research, which helped me in writing the book.

We don't know any more than he did. Just that ordinary people tell very convincing stories with a little bit fragmentary evidence to back it up. Not much, a little. of encounters with other intelligence. So that was the course I followed in this book. I thought that he was very courageous, and he left a wonderful record of his research, which helped me in writing the book.

I did. I mean, he wasn't, again, what made him interesting, he was not a perfect person. He cheated on his wife. He was naive at times. But all in all, he was, you know, the model for the, you know, the... human being who goes out on a search, the questing human being that Joseph Campbell wrote about. And I thought he was really remarkable in that way. But he was not a saint.

I did. I mean, he wasn't, again, what made him interesting, he was not a perfect person. He cheated on his wife. He was naive at times. But all in all, he was, you know, the model for the, you know, the... human being who goes out on a search, the questing human being that Joseph Campbell wrote about. And I thought he was really remarkable in that way. But he was not a saint.

I did. I mean, he wasn't, again, what made him interesting, he was not a perfect person. He cheated on his wife. He was naive at times. But all in all, he was, you know, the model for the, you know, the... human being who goes out on a search, the questing human being that Joseph Campbell wrote about. And I thought he was really remarkable in that way. But he was not a saint.

And that's what made him even more interesting. He struggled with kind of a sex addiction. He alienated his wife, who was a wonderful supporter. But he was not dishonest. I mean, he was pretty open about his attraction to other women. So that added to his allure for me. He was a fully rounded human being.

And that's what made him even more interesting. He struggled with kind of a sex addiction. He alienated his wife, who was a wonderful supporter. But he was not dishonest. I mean, he was pretty open about his attraction to other women. So that added to his allure for me. He was a fully rounded human being.

And that's what made him even more interesting. He struggled with kind of a sex addiction. He alienated his wife, who was a wonderful supporter. But he was not dishonest. I mean, he was pretty open about his attraction to other women. So that added to his allure for me. He was a fully rounded human being.