Lex Fridman

Anyway, that's a character.

You have to build that out.

You have to think through that.

So you've been living with that one for a while?

But an ever-present one.

Yeah, but there's some characters that really create a flavor of a world.

And of course, there's the leader, the CEO of the company that's also a character that's probably an amalgamation of many of the leaders of the different AI companies today.

His name is Mark Tyburn.

And Kurt, one of the employees of the company, talks about Tyburn as he hated humanity more than he loved it.

Perhaps all the most extreme fantasists are like that, all those people who want to build their own utopia.

They love the idea of heaven more than the reality of Earth.

Do you think that's always going to be the case, for the most part, that power money is going to corrupt the people that create ASI?

I like humans apart from the bad bits.

That's so beautifully put.

Yeah, that there is, it's so counterintuitive.

But the people that say we're almost there, we just need to, there's this path we take and we'll be perfect then and that somehow gets us into trouble.

It's so fascinating that we have to like the bad bits.

We have to love the bad bits about humans.

We can't, those bugs are features.

I mean, it really is a return to that Solzhenitsyn line of the line between good and evil runs through the heart of every man.