Li-Lian Ang
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first heard Apr 2026
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market pressures right like the company still needs to kind of survive and they have to like navigate things that are more to do with like keeping their company like afloat and in good standing over time with like the investors and less to do necessarily with like purely altruistic or like like good reasons I think this is where like the role of independent labs or independent like think tanks and other organizations come in where you are not where you can give a more like
rigorous evaluation or rigorous research on this, where you don't feel like the work that you're doing is being governed by needing your research pitch to bring in more revenue or to capture more of the market.
And this kind of research,
can then be fed back into these organizations and hopefully influence the kind of things that they do, or feed back into policy work to inform policymakers on how they should address these risks based on how much certainty that we have over them.
And not just people who work on technical versus governance, but it's also people who
work on the third layer of the defense in depth approach, which maybe I should explain, but work more on like, if we are unable to train models to be, train the dangerous actions out of models, and if we are unable to prevent these actions from being taken in the world,
what are the kind of defenses or societal resilience mechanisms that we can build that would still ensure that we are safe or that we live good lives.
And these are things like pandemic preparedness measures, better cybersecurity practices, different kinds of economic or social policies, different ways that we maintain the integrity of the information environment and things like this that
that is not like technical work or governance work, but it's still like extremely important.
I would push back on that, I guess.
I feel like if you've ever worked in an organization, it's really not that easy to change what the leadership level wants.
There are micro decisions that you can make.
There are things you can advocate for within the company.
But I think it's a lot harder than most people think than just joining OpenAI or XAI and saying like, I'm going to change how they approach safety from the inside.
I don't think it's impossible, but I think it's a lot harder than some people might think.
I mean, I've, you know, like, you know, like caveat, I've not worked in one of these, you know, like frontier area companies so far.
But this is just like things that I've heard from other people who have worked in these places.
It's that
the kind of like political games that you might need to play within these companies and the kinds of like efforts that you might need to put in to be able to really steer it in a way that you want is not something trivial.
And so, you know, like with that kind of like
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