Liam Donovan

Like, that would be chaos.

And I don't know.

The train wreck would be interesting.

I don't get the sense that that's what he's doing.

I think he's playing with a lot of things that could build that speculation, and I think that benefits him and it benefits his enterprise right now.

But I don't know that that's what's... I think I genuinely think he is...

in real time, toying with all kinds of things that have been, you know, floating around in his head for a long time.

Yeah, I think he's been able to, through sheer force of nature, kind of hold together some of these contradictions within the party.

But I think so much of it is, you know,

Right.

Like it's not even necessarily about what the issue is.

It's not necessarily about what the policies are.

And his his gift was being able to, like, be all things to all people and have been a walking contradiction in ways that kind of worked.

I think that's really tough for anyone to do in either party.

But just like anything else.

And the Democrats are running this to like.

At the end of the day, you can have these conversations, but you need a vehicle and a vessel to harness all these things and resolve them in a way that at least gets you over the hump to 48, 49 percent of the vote that is able to overcome the other side.

Ken, whether it's J.D.

or whether it's somebody else, I think a lot of that will be this ramp toward 2028.

What does the president choose to do?