Liam Donovan

You know, J.D.

came by this.

This has kind of been his vision of things since he entered politics.

But the ones that have been playing with the congressional level, like Josh Hawley, I don't think he's necessarily the guy, but watching him

And Jim Banks, similarly, like these guys are all like the entrepreneurship happening, trying to feel out, like, let me see what I can do that can whether it's harness attention or whether that's something that the White House picks up in ways that are don't fit the orthodoxy of the old party.

I think those guys have been really interesting.

But I think the end of the day.

The insight of Trump is, like, so much of this isn't about policy.

It's about attitude.

It's about how you...

position yourself against the left.

And I've yet to see somebody that has figured that aspect of it out.

I think there's a tendency to over-index to interesting political ideas that excite you or me.

And that's not necessarily what excites a primary electorate in 2027 and 2028.

I think you do need to tie your candidate, whatever their ex-interests are, to the National Party, which is seen even by Democrats as weak and feckless and in some ways tied to unpopular positions.

I do think there is a body of evidence for anyone that was in politics in the

2020 to 2022 moments.

There's a deep trove of, you know, hits that are in there.

We're starting to see it with Tallarico, but I think that exists for most people.

Put them on the defensive and make them account for the things that they said and did way back when, because I think it's