Liam Halligan

Well, a lot of the trade unions in the UK think that.

There's a huge rift now between this Labour government and the trade union movement because the trade union movement can see that pursuing net zero the way we are, as zealously as we are, is massively hollowing out our...

We've just closed Britain's largest refinery up in Grangemouth.

We've just shut down our last two blast furnaces in Wales at Port Talbot, which of course make virgin steel, which is very important for defence applications, other construction applications.

It's really hard to get virgin steel in the UK today.

Because, you know, the Red Sea's closed because of Houthi rebels.

It just seems madness to me.

Look, I'm all for a better environment and I'm all for moving away from fossil fuels in a way that isn't economically ruinous.

But I think the way we're doing it is economically ruinous.

And I think a lot of...

mainstream politicians now are waking up to that until very recently to even question net zero is to be... You're a climate denier.

You're accused of slaying the firstborn.

You're accused of being Herod.

It's crazy.

And just the use of the word denier I think is disgusting because, of course...

Holocaust denial is a crazy thing and a disgusting thing, but that's the phrase that it kind of tries to echo.

You are that unreasonable.

No, there are many, many, many scientists who they just don't get airtime, but you know, Nobel winning scientists who really do question

net zero, the whole thing.

I'm not here to do that.