Liam Rosenior

I'm an old man now in football in terms of the tide and I was playing for England under 21, you know, maybe 15 years ago now and against Serbia and the same thing happened then.

So that in terms of that, there's no real change.

But I think what's actually more crucial and more important than even the overt racism that's in your face is

When Raheem Sterling gets racially abused or England players get racially abused when they play away from home, there's a deeper lying root of racism.

And that's what the foundation of the Black Lives Matter movement is.

And it's unconscious bias and it's covert racism.

It's people not being able to affect society and having a glass ceiling because they're perceived to be a certain way.

And a perfect example of that is what we've just spoken about, of having more diversity in boardrooms, more diversity on our coaching staffs.

Because when you're in positions of authority and power, you can change things for good.

And at the moment, it's a very singular, you know, if you go into a boardroom, you're going to see the same people in there, you know, same types of people.

And there's nothing wrong with the types of people that are in rooms.

But when you have similar shared experiences, then you're not going to have that perception from maybe other people that could help you in your decision making.

Yeah, 100%.

I think you hit the nail on the head there, Jamie.

I think punishment is one course that you need to use.

And use another word there, education.

I think education is vital because in order for us to eradicate racism, we need to teach our next generations and our children that it's not unacceptable.

And to do that, to educate, you need to bring people together.

Because when you do bring people together from different countries or different religions or different races, you realize actually we're all quite similar.

We all have the same values.