Liam Tuffs

And there's lots that I do know, but there's so much that I don't know.

So the last 24 hours you stand around mine has been very tricky for me because I've had to put the brakes on wanting to ask you stuff so that this is organic.

Now, you're the founder of the English Defence League.

This is probably an interview that a lot of people would love to have had because Tom has taken the reins and he's carried on doing what he's doing.

And I mean, you was a huge force back in the day.

And over the years, you've sort of tapered off and done separate things, which we're going to unpack later.

I want this to be a full life story of Kevin Carroll to give everybody watching and listening a taste and a flavour of who you actually really are because of the media smears, the hope not hates, the medias, the lies that have been printed about you.

This is now your time to put your version of events of who you are because no one knows you better than you.

So let's take it right back to the beginning.

You were 56, 57?

So growing up in Luton, Luton's a very serious place.

What was it like back then when you grew up?

How people's shoulders have changed now.

Oh, yeah.

You just don't see that no more.

No, no, no.

It's iPad, headset.

Safe spaces.

Yeah.

Communicating with people from inside your own room.