Liam Tuffs

Yeah.

Not like that human interaction, which is so good for growth and development and people skills.

I wonder what the fascination is with fire, because I know a lot of kids back in the day that was obsessed with fire.

I mean, we've got a fire pit in my garden, which we're going to light up tonight, because even now, in our 40s and 50s, there's something therapeutic and relaxing about flames.

Not that I'm suggesting you were setting fires when you were a kid to relax.

Yeah, yeah.

But I think I was, though.

Yeah.

Well, this is a very big part of your personality, which anyone that knows you, I've never heard one bad word said about you.

Nothing but love.

How's Kev?

Have you heard from Kev?

And they're always lovely stories.

And I soak them all up if we don't see each other from time to time.

But...

You're Tommy Robinson's cousin.

So we're going to have, I mean, I'm sure a lot of, and you're the only person that could answer this.

What was Tommy Robinson like as a kid?

And what's the age difference between you?

Oh, when you started the EDL.