Lili Padman

And that can feel scary and maybe untethered.

But it is the nature and facts of life.

And I think the discomforts when you're fighting that.

We know the ultimate phase.

Yeah.

And I think, yes, that's the Esther thing, which I love.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like people are cheating on you with themselves.

They want to visit a version of themselves from the past.

But I think the easy cycle to get into with going back to exes is with some time away, when you come back, you –

can revisit the initial easy uncomplicated phase of it and that is very pleasurable but the complications arise immediately after yeah but i think you succumb to the joy of getting to relive the the part that was easy the falling in love part yeah and then i just think quickly it ends up exactly what it always is yeah and i think that's the cycle that's appealing it's like

Oh, I want to go back to the original moment.

Right.

We fell in love and it was so easy and... Yeah.

Yeah.

Complicated.

Had you read this book?

I mean, this book was wildly popular.

So popular.

You had.