Lili Padman

Do we know what the contributing factors are that end up in an anxious attachment versus the avoidant attachment?

Are there patterns within that parenting style that produce that outcome?

Yes, it's pretty wild.

So if they have a pretty coherent relationship,

chronological story of their own life.

That makes sense.

That's coherent, makes sense.

Odds are they're going to have a more secure.

This is very hard.

So now tell me how you, you're going through a breakup.

You're learning about this.

You're right, though.

We tend to pathologize every single thing that we know about.

And it's like all these things are tradeoffs.

They all come with some benefit or you wouldn't have gotten to this point.

Is it servicing your goals or not?

Okay, so to bring everyone up to speed, so you wrote with Helen Attached, which was applying this attachment theory to adults and specifically romantic parents.

Yeah, and so this book is enormously successful, and it also has a very peculiar trajectory as a book.

in that it's kind of hockey-shaped in its distribution.

Didn't it just continue to swell over time and there were some interesting catalysts like COVID and TikTok?