Lisa Harper

But my heart was still performative.

You know, I feel like he's been so kind to me because I walked for so long.

And the fact that Jesus has been so patient and really showed me, Lisa, it's relational.

You don't have to earn my favor.

Holiness is about intimacy with me, not how you perform.

I mean, I really collapsed about 15 years ago.

I just always been one of those, you know, pull yourself up at the bootstraps kind of girls.

I'm super conservative.

in my theology, not so much in my sociology, because I didn't get married.

And at 40, I decided if I don't get a husband, I'm going to get a Harley Davidson.

So you've never been married?

Never been married.

But you got a Harley?

Well, I had one when I brought my daughter home from Haiti.

She loved motorcycles, but we got run off the road by some guys flying a rebel flag.

They didn't think you should have an old white mama with a beautiful Haitian little girl.

And so we switched to a trike.

for a while.

And then I just had this real, I just couldn't bring my baby on a bike for a while.

I'll go back to them, because there's something about, if you grow up Baptist, the excuse to wear leather pants is epic.