Louis Theroux

That idea of someone who's immersed in an experience, who's sort of the straight man in the comic sense in a world gone mad, navigating through and especially where they get out of their depth in some way and they're exposed to the extremes of the human condition.

So I never, I struggle with that authorial, I know I'm talking way too much, but this is going to quite a deep place.

That authorial voice of the travel writer.

And then I went here and I went to see the Spanish Steps and a man vomited on my shoe and I went back to the hotel.

I always thought, I don't really, I'm not, you know, I think I'm more, I'd like to see, I'd like to sort of see someone immersed in their lives somehow.

Yeah.

First of all, thank you for the Theroux method.

I didn't know what it was.

It sounds a bit like a massage technique, right?

Or musicians use it to improve their posture when they're playing their instruments, the Theroux technique.

It's controversial.

I've got the through method.

I apologise for having propagated a journalistic method.

I do think that there's parallels.

I mean, just purely technically and structurally, they occupy the exact same place in their respective programmes, that you see them both three times and the climactic moment of both films involves...

a showdown, as it were, where I basically present my case and say, here's why I have a problem with what you're doing.

Having gathered my data, having done my research and due diligence, I'm presenting my case against you.

She pushes me.

He pushes me virtually in the sense of he actually films me.

Instead of pushing me, he does something much smarter, which is he films me, live streams me, and then crowdsources questions that will embarrass me