Louis Theroux

and then clips them and goes viral with me looking stupid.

That's the first observation.

What do they have in common objectively as people?

It's just, yeah, I think a quality of shamelessness.

In a culture based on shame, if you're shameless, it's a superpower.

If you're unembarrassable, if you have complete conviction...

And I think actually on that metric, Daniela has the advantage over HS.

I saw HS uncomfortable.

There were times when he seemed worried by things that I did.

Yeah, he did this thing which we used throughout the film, which is do monologues to his followers on social media.

About you.

Yeah, anytime I left.

which is great.

He gave it a sort of Shakespearean grammar where he was doing soliloquies between scenes, you know, the beginning and end of scenes, like, was ever wench in this woman wooed?

You know, except he's going like, I think Faroo might be trying to cook me.

I'm not too sure.

You know, it's like Iago, isn't it?

Yeah.

But I think, so he had that uncertainty and she never cracked.

There's not a scintilla of vulnerability that I ever saw in her.