Louise Aronson

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1,082 appearances 4 recordings 1 series first heard May 2019 last heard Jul 2024

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Not everybody, but really almost everybody I've spoken to, because that's not going to go well for me.
Do I want everything up until then?
Yes.
But if we don't ask those questions, I mean, this is, again, our crazy health system, right?
So you could have a frail...
You know, 80-something or 90-something-year-old with multiple other conditions on a ventilator for weeks, costing probably millions of dollars, certainly hundreds of thousands, for care that he or she doesn't want and will never recover from.
Right.
But we can't do, we can't get people the PPE they need or do the advanced care planning, acknowledging that, you know, like I was on a program where somebody was talking about the, you know, putting books at every pediatrician's office, you know, and handing people books.
Like we do things for different age groups.
Maybe this is what we need to do.
And we also just have to get people used to death and using the word death.
Because if you're in your 80s or 90s, you know what's going to happen in the relatively near future.
It happens to all of us.
But I'm constantly also hearing clinicians saying, well, they passed on or they passed away.
Or if we can't use the word death, no one is ever going to get comfortable with death.
Well, I think there are sort of two main issues here.
One is the difference between a friendly visitor and an essential caregiver.
An essential caregiver is a person whose presence either pragmatically provides care for you or keeps you from declining in your physical health.
So we're also seeing this across nursing homes and residential care facilities and
Nathan Stahl and Samir Sinha in Canada have just published something last week that was great on this distinction.
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