Ageism in the Time of COVID: Podcast with Louise Aronson
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GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
43 min
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8 chapters
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What is the purpose of this episode and who is the guest?
The Jerry Powell Podcast is brought to you by Archstone Foundation, preparing society and meeting the needs of an aging population. And now,
here
are your hosts.
Welcome to the Jerry Powell Podcast. This is Eric Guadera.
This is Alex Smith.
And Alex, it's been a while since I saw you.
It's been a while. I got a haircut. Oh, nice. COVID haircut. Couldn't take it anymore. Shaved it all off.
Wait, I see somebody else on our Zoom call.
Yes, we are fortunate and honored to have a return guest, Louise Aronson, who is with us today. She's a professor of medicine at UCSF in the Division of Geriatrics. She's the author of the book, Elderhood, which was a Pulitzer Prize finalist. We did a podcast with her about that book. We'll have a link to that in the show notes. She's been writing furiously in the midst of this COVID epidemic about ageism with articles in the New England Journal, Times, Vox, Atlantic, Forbes, and other outlets soon to come. Welcome back to the Jerry Pal podcast, Louise.
I am honored to be on twice. I feel like that's some kind of stature I have to figure out what to do with. I was going to say frequent flyer miles, but those are not so useful with me.
Yeah.
We'll give you a branded Jerry Palface mask. How about that?
Oh, that would be
awesome. We need those. That's actually not
a bad
idea.
I would wear them. I'm going into all these senior facilities. I would totally wear that. And they would say, what is on your
face? What is that? We had Jerry Pal t-shirts at one point. This is a non sequitur. We'll get to the song. But I would wear the Jerry Pal t-shirts. I wore it to my kid's elementary school. And this guy looks at me and says, Jerry Pal, is that like PayPal for older adults?
Yeah.
actually really smart
uh how embarrassed were your kids from wearing that t-shirt alex
no they love it
great
dad's famous he's on youtube
how to make it in the eyes of your children
louise we always start off with song requests you got a song request for alex
Okay. Well, I have to admit, I've been doing a lot of public health and the whole ageism thing. So I picked REM. It's the end of the world.
Yeah.
As we know it, just to be clear, it's not the end of the world, full stop.
Right. Is that the song request or you're just making a statement that it's the end of the world?
The song that's one of the two songs going through my head. And so, yeah, I'm hoping I'm not predicting the future.
I hope not, too. But, you know, things are bad. COVID, George Floyd. And then we have like, you know, unmarked officers pulling people off the street in Portland and throwing them in vans.
Don't forget murder hornets. And poverty, like really bad poverty and hunger.
Yeah, this
is the appropriate
song for the time. I will try to get through it without stumbling, which is hard with this tongue twister, but I love this song, so thank you for requesting it.
Sure.
That's great, it starts with an earthquake Birds and snakes, an airplane Lenny Bruce is not afraid i have a hurricane listen to yourself churn world to its own needs don't miss your own needs speed it up a knock speed grunt no strength the ladder starts to clatter with a fear height down height wire in a fire representing seven games and a government for hire and a combat site left her wasn't coming in a hurry with the furies beating down your neck team by team reporters babble trump tell It's the end of the world as we do it. It's the end of the world.
Wow, that was awesome. You did it.
First time for everything. Yep.
That
was
really great.
How does the REM “End of the World” song request set the tone for the discussion?
Thank you. That's fun.
All right, Luis. There are so many things that I'm worried about right now and that we're all worried about. So many things going on in 2020. Some of these things have been lasting for centuries. Do I have to add ageism as another thing that I need to worry about right now?
Eric, you're not seriously not already worried about ageism and you call yourself a geriatrician? You need to hang your head in chain. That is just terrible. Yes, you should worry about ageism because we live in this crazy world where nobody wants to die and people want to stay alive and they want to do all these things, but it's not okay to grow old.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the purpose of this episode and who is the guest?
0:01–4:28
2
How does the REM “End of the World” song request set the tone for the discussion?
4:28–10:49
3
Why does Louise Aronson say COVID‑19 has exposed ageist assumptions in healthcare?
10:49–17:09
4
What clinical examples illustrate ageism during the pandemic?
17:09–22:38
5
How are systemic policies (symptom lists, PPE allocation, nursing‑home guidelines) reinforcing ageism?
22:38–28:42
6
What are the arguments around visitor restrictions for older adults in hospitals?
28:42–34:39
7
If you had a magic wand, what three changes would you make to reduce ageism in health care?
34:39–40:36
8
What final thoughts and calls to action does the episode leave listeners with?
40:36–43:03
Speakers
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