Louise Ayrey

Maybe we've been a bit naive about the lack of governance around it.

I can remember MySpace, which definitely ages me.

MySpace.

I think probably the memory that most people have of early internet is just the sound of the dial-up.

You know, that's what I remember.

The dial-up sound and kind of sitting there crossing your fingers and hoping that it was going in the right, you know, that it was coming to a sort of a conclusion.

So why do we feed the trolls?

Why do we get sort of stuck in the cesspools of this toxic kind of online behavior?

It adds value to your life, right?

We kind of forget that we can control our own doom scrolling.

Look, when you're in New Zealand for the Writers' Festival, we'll make sure that you have a New Zealand Herald delivered to you daily and that you've got a newspaper and you're ready to go.

You've mentioned politics a few times, Jimmy, and in the book you do talk about how leaders play a role in creating the culture of a company or a country.

And I wonder whether we could just talk a little bit about how concerned you are about politics and the influence it's having and how we treat each other around it.

Anyway, I'm just playing with you.

They might come here legally, but that's still an issue, yeah.

And this was something in the book, Jimmy, which has totally resonated with me.

And I can't believe how often I'm referring back to it.

And that's when you talk about how we have to see what we have in common.

We don't necessarily have to.

And I think this is so clever.