Louise Ayrey

We don't have to change someone's view.

We have to change their views of each other.

So it's not like, you know, if you're looking at, you know, someone on the other side of the fence and you're going, they are so wrong and their view is completely wrong.

We've kind of got to move away from it being, you know, everyone having such extreme approach to their views.

And just stepping back a little bit.

It's like, I'm never going to change your view on this, but maybe we could all understand each other's views a little bit better, is what we kind of say.

You're listening to The Little Things, and today on the podcast, our guest is Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia and author of The Seven Rules of Trust, talking about how in this fragmented world filled with disinformation, we can be civil and learn to trust again.

We'll be back after the break.

Welcome back.

Jimmy, we've been talking about sort of how we overcome the divides between us and things and talk a little bit about civility.

Civility is really important in society and for individuals, isn't it?

But do you think that we take things a bit too personally these days?

But also I think, as we've been talking about, it's a reminder to step back from all the noise and go, what am I going to focus on?

I'm going to focus on the policy.

I'm going to focus on what you're offering me.

I'm going to take the personality out of it.

And we do have that choice as to how we want to approach it.

Once they announce their policies, it'd be quite good to see some policies.

That would be quite handy.

Talking about trust, I think we all can see that trust has been sort of eroding over time.