Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer
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first heard May 2025
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And again, before I let Eric, one second, before I turn it over to Eric, remember, we're talking about a massive investment of resources, as you as a businessman would recognize as a priority, yet somehow they reduced it down to a map of a chart they couldn't find to dismiss everything we did. because they were so desperate to focus on one thing and push us away.
Which is not true. There was no violation.
No. I think it may exist.
Well, can I add something real quick? Yeah. We had a person that was actually monitoring global movement of individuals of interest via mosques, all the mosques, Alejandra Mogulina.
And the DOD interviewed her and then basically proceeded to not ask her a single question about what we're about to talk about. Eric was provided via Orion Scientific as the source. detailed data about individuals moving between mosques. So it wasn't simply big data. It was the fact that we were targeting down to the mosque level, which makes it hugely controversial.
You and I can agree that the whole issue... Pat, there's a bigger story here.
I knew who they were. I was down there several times. Let me explain. So we were under SOCOM. We were using the Army. Eric can explain. The Army wanted to pull out, by the way. The Army did not like the fact we were using their technology for our operations. Why not? Why wouldn't they? Because, well, you want to explain that?
We weren't intelligence. I know this is going to sound weird. We were doing our effort under Title 10. Title 10 is known as traditional military activity. That's why I went to CURT as harm services, not intelligence, to ask for money for the Navy.
So my point, I'm trying to underscore what Kurt is saying, we were – an operational unit that was designed to go do something. We weren't an intelligence unit. Although we were intelligence officers, we were doing operations. It's called J-3 versus J-2. And that was one of the controversial points because we didn't recognize the limits on U.S. citizens because we didn't have to.
Traditional military activities, Title X, is what George Washington did during the Continental Army, what they did. And so that was one of the controversial points. But the bottom line is, Kurt funded the advanced technology that we, SOCOM, figured out how to get and use. That technology then, used by Eric, put together the series of charts, which then became the basis for the plans we were using.
Are those the charts? Those are some of the charts, yes.
By the way, he was one of the individuals that the IG, the DODIG, refused to interview. You're a guy that has to make investments. If you have someone who is a principal actor in a company... who has a major role, wouldn't you go and interview them before anything else to figure out what's going on? Lambert was the chief of operations, and they refused.
They DODIG during the time that he asked them to investigate our claims. They refused to talk to Lambert. The whole thing's a cover. To this day.
We knew where the cells were at. Right. We knew where they physically were hanging out. And where were those cells? There were different clusters. One was New York, one was Maryland, and the other one was Florida, as I recall. And they were all clustered. We had individuals linked to the al-Qaeda leadership.
New Jersey. New Jersey. New Jersey. New York.
Yeah.
Let me add something to the picture that I can't talk about in detail yet. There's three things I'm trying to get declassified by the Pentagon right now. My specific role in Able Danger relating to what we're talking about. I still can't talk about it, believe it or not.
The other thing is there's an investigative organization that's run by DOD that has found the link you're talking about here to the CIA guys. And I'll let them speak for themselves. But they're working right now to get approval to come public on what they have. And I've talked to their senior investigator, and he has said they have confirmed the link between Al-Madar has whatever his name is.
I'm terrible with names. to the CIA.
I think it's a clue. I think it's a clue. These people don't do this stuff without a reason.
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