Luke Caverns
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard 27 May
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Um, we can look up, uh, uh, Olmec where Jaguar, please, Jamie. Um, thank you. And, um, There's a whole different type of person. So here's one image. If you keep scrolling, you'll see images that are carved into... So this is a little bit of a better image right here.
But sometimes when they're carved into jade and you can see the light reflecting off of it, you get a better image of what these things really look like. So where Jaguar, Olmec, and maybe do jade. Oh yeah, there we go. Top right. Yeah, check that guy out. So that's a human. That's not an animal. It is a human who has turned into the essence of a jaguar.
And we see this everywhere, all over the Olmec world. But they're never the colossal heads. They're always in jade or they're smaller Olmec monuments. And sometimes the heads are maimed, like the head is just completely destroyed. And there's these jaguar claws that are carved into an Olmec face, like tearing apart its face, tearing apart the symbol that's on the top of their head.
And so a lot of people have wondered, like, why are these scratch marks in all of these Olmec monuments? But all the scratch marks only appear in Olmec monuments that are not the were jaguar. And so what I think – this is a little bit of research that I'm doing, and I'm writing a book on the Olmecs right now – is what I think is there's a feud between the rulers and the shamanic class.
And I think that these were jaguar people, these people who are taking some kind of hallucinogen, taking a psychedelic, and basically imbuing the essence of a jaguar in some strange, crazy way that we can't explain, these are feuding with each other. And when I'm in – And I'm in these museums where you have these mushroom stone effigies that are all lined up. I'll ask a local archaeologist there.
I'll be like, so these mushrooms, do you think that these depict hallucinogens that they may have been taking to get high? Oh, no, no, no, no, no. No. I'm like, really? You look at all the crazy shit that ancient Americans are making. If you look at ancient American artwork anywhere, you can tell it's all mind-bending stuff to look at. Clearly, I think they're being influenced by plants.
Now, this were-jaguar isn't just isolated to the Olmec world. It also pops up at a place called Chavin de Huantar. Have you ever heard of this? No. This is in the Andes. It's one of the oldest cities in the Andes. So before Chavin... We can follow the DNA evidence of burials.
Like you can tell, okay, these people are younger if we carbon date their bodies that are buried underneath these temples, and they're related to these people that are older. So you're trying to piece together this DNA web, but it's very, very loose.
So there's a place called – there's a culture called Kerala Supe culture, and they are building pyramids before the old kingdom of Egypt ever even existed. This is 5,500 years ago at least. on the coast of Peru, like right on the beach. And there's like 15 huge pyramids out there. But this is a non-pottery, non-artistic culture. So we don't have pottery and we don't have art from them.
And we don't have stone statues or anything like that, just these structures. And from what we can tell, they keep getting hit by these like apocalyptic storms, these tropical El Ninos and La Ninas that are just
destroying their civilization and they're trying to to rebuild it again and eventually they say you know what forget this we're moving up into the andes well when they move up into the andes on chevin de wantar they then come in contact with amazonians they meet amazonians for the first time and all of a sudden these people they have pottery they have art they have gods they have a pantheon they have stone statues and they are were jaguars they they are these shamanic people
Oh, this is from – oh, is this on my – oh, cool. So I posted about this today. So these faces right here, these are on the side of the Temple of Shevin that faces east off into the Amazon. And when you look at Shevin pottery, it's the same as Amazonian pottery in the region. So the people of the Andes –
As soon as they interact with the Amazon, they take – they acquire this religion, this culture, this iconography. They completely change as a people, and they start building – the first structures that we know of that have interiors because before this, these pyramids that were out on the coastline, you're like walking on top of this big stone mound, but it's Chavin.
It's a, it's a huge square style building that you can, that has open doors that you can walk in through. And all of this happens as soon as they interact with Amazonians. And so, yeah, so this is, it's a huge structure. And the stones that make up the staircases, oh my God.
Okay, have you seen, the name is escaping me right now, but Wandering Wolf went out there, Michael Collins, and he saw these big trilithon stones that are sitting on the side of the mountain in Peru. Do you remember this? Giant stones. That white stone is the same white stone that's used in the staircases and on the door jams and the lintels here at Chavin.
So you see the open door right there at the bottom? Yeah, so those white stones on the side, Those stones may have come from that quarry that he went and visited, where those gigantic, you know, trilithon, balbec-sized stones are. How far is that? It's really, really far from here. I don't know. That would be something good that I should know. So some of it's megalithic, some of it's decent size.
It's really that front wall right there with that entrance, the steps going up to it. And then on the inside of the temple, you have the megalithic stonework. And then you have this... Then you have this monolith on the inside. So you see this guy? Look at that. That's a human with jaguar fangs coming out of his mouth.
And all of these tenon heads that are on the side of the temple, they're facing out towards the Amazon. It's telling us that this religion, this idea of these people who are –
Somehow, doing these shamanic practices, which I think are so clearly, so obviously, is plants like ayahuasca or whatever it is, inducing these people into a state of consciousness where somehow they're taking on the effects of the jaguar. You and Paul Rosalie talked about this, and when he was talking about his…
his experience with ayahuasca, I believe he said, and maybe it was on this show, that for a moment, like he shrunk down to the size of an atom and he's floating through the Amazon. And then all of a sudden he was looking through like the eyes of a jaguar for a moment. And this is something that- Constant theme amongst people who've done ayahuasca. Yeah, yeah.
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