Luke Caverns
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard 27 May
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So this is something that I think, I think it's evidence. I mean, we can go, we can talk about this forever, but I think there's so much evidence. Oh, isn't this cool? Yeah. Well, there's also evidence that jaguars eat the same plants. Yes, yeah. Have you seen this on, what is it, Weird Nature? There's a documentary out there called Weird Nature. Where the jaguar's tripping?
Yeah, and it makes it akin to catnip, and it's like the jaguar also has its own catnip.
Have you ever tried these mushrooms?
Really?
Oh, corn too. Yes. Mays. Oh my gosh.
Yeah. And again, it fucking breathes air. Could be as ancient as 8,650 years. Yeah. Yeah. Good night. Good night.
Well, OK. OK, so two things there as far as what's in the Amazon. First, think about how let's just talk about North America above Mesoamerica. So, like, let's just... Let's just include like the modern day United States. Think about all the tribes that existed here, how complicated these histories are. You know, Squanto is born in the early 1600s among these tribes in Massachusetts.
And when he comes back, he forms this thing called the Wampanoag Confederation, whatever, whatever. Just in that little area, there's all these different cultures with their own history, their own knowledge and everything. That's one little part of Massachusetts. Now think about the rest of the country and how vast and sprawling and intricate and how deep that history really goes.
And you can just place the United States inside the Amazon. That's how big the Amazon is. Yeah. And we just refer to natives, tribes who lived in the Amazon as Amazonians. But it's so much more complicated than just that. Now, the next thing is this whole conversation about talking about the were jaguar.
I get a lot of flack for this topic because you have, let's just call it like boomer archaeologists who have this knee-jerk reaction to psychedelics and hallucinogens because it's so – ingrained in them that like all drugs are bad as if all drugs are the same, you know what I mean? And I'm talking to this.
I was in Mexico last year and we were in the Yucatan and I was there with an archaeologist from the Midwest and he was an archaeo astronomer, which is like I was saying earlier, it's a guy who studies the way that I think it's like Pueblo ancestral tribes would have interacted with the night sky and study the night sky and
And I was like, I asked him, I said, okay, so what kind of hallucinogens do you think they would have had? And I think he told me like peyote and cannabis and stuff like that. And I was like, okay, so have you ever, you know, we were like every night we get together and we'd all smoke and just talk about ancient history and stuff.
You know, you come up with so many interesting ideas and perspectives and points of view, you know, when you smoke with like an actual purpose and you're trying to, you know, think, I'm sure you know very well what I'm talking about. And so he's sitting around with all of us and he doesn't want – he's not interested. And I'm like, so you've been studying archaeoastronomy for this long.
Have you ever tried cannabis or peyote or anything that's up there? I think there's another one called Datura. Have you ever heard of this?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh.
Yeah. Well, it might explain why Teotihuacan civilization and all their iconography is so terrifying. Like if you look up the great goddess of Teotihuacan, it's these guys with handbags picking this detour and like putting them in their handbags. Oh, boy. Yeah, yeah.
And so their whole civilization is like very dark and scary. But I asked this archaeologist. I said, OK, have you ever gone out and studied the stars from the Native American point of view while you're smoking cannabis or you take peyote? And he's like, oh, no, I wouldn't do that. And I'm like –
You have committed your entire life to studying this ancient culture that you know very well was studying the stars and taking hallucinogens. And you, as someone who's supposed to be an expert in this field, you don't want to put yourself in the shoes of these people. I was like, dude, if you laid out at night...
With everything you know about the Pueblo ancestral people and you smoked weed for the first time or you did peyote or something. You stayed up and looked at the stars. You might have an epiphany about something that you've never realized because your brain is just operating in a different way than it normally does. And he was very slow to like – to be open to this idea.
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