Luke Hodge

Out of this, you just don't want one of the reputations, because they've both been great for game.

Nick Foote has been unreal as an umpire.

What is he, umpire?

Was it 2024 grand final?

And then you look at Zach, and as you said, for someone who I hated playing against him because he was fast, he was agile, he'll give you a lip, he'll let you know when you're old and slow, as he did numerous times in my last couple of years.

But he's someone who you respect because of how he goes about it.

And he doesn't seem like a player who would say that.

I don't want to jump to either side there because it's so hard.

Because I think we're all sitting in the same position.

We can all sit here and go, well, if he said it, understandable.

If he didn't say it, you can see why he's shocked.

So I think the AFL need to come together.

It's almost a mediate and say, look, obviously what was said –

and what was heard was two totally different things.

Can we sit back and can you shake hands and move on?

Because I don't think either bloke in this situation will be deliberately trying to out the other one if they didn't hear or say what they're saying.

I had a lot of disagreements with umpires because back when I was playing, you're probably a little bit more to be open.

They didn't have the microphones back then.

But on the flip side, I remember Goldspink, who would give just as good to the players as what he would receive from the players.

So the umpires have sort of had to ease up a little bit because obviously they've been miked and everyone hears what they're saying.