Luke Lunkenheimer

Well, yeah.

Yeah, I appreciate that.

I was going to say that I always get guys in the comments.

They're like, if you just, you know, if you just applied that same amount of enthusiasm and knowledge to the right side.

You'd have made just as much money.

No, you wouldn't.

You wouldn't have.

Fraud is way more dangerous, but it's way easier.

That's why it's against the law.

Way easier to do.

But yeah, you're right.

I probably would have done something.

Obviously, what they do is they apply the, okay, then if you've done it the right way,

during that span of 13 years what would have happened you know then i wouldn't owe six million dollars in restitution right so i've got it down to like is that what it is dude no i got down like 5.7 okay i'm good for it though so um you know i wouldn't know that money i probably would have you know a ton of real estate and have a ton of money and be worth a pretty penny but that didn't you know that didn't work out and as far as a podcast i you know it's like

Yeah, I think that I'm the kind of person that's always going to make the best of a bad situation.

Like I told you when I went to prison, it really was like the first week or so I bitched for about a week or two.

I had a conversation with my cousin and then kind of read for about two, three years and then kind of started thinking like, bro, you're not – you're getting out.

I mean you're getting out someday but –

you're going to do some time.

You better think of something you can do here that maybe can help you on the outside.