Luke O'Neill

But with more crack.

as someone once said.

So maybe Ireland's becoming like Denmark with more fun.

And good luck to you.

I hope you enjoy saunas and taking a cold dip.

There you have it, the science of saunas.

And thanks for listening, as ever, on my podcast.

The Newstalk production, available every Thursday, wherever you get your podcasts.

Well, I'm joined in studio by Luke O'Neill, Professor of Biochemistry at Trinity College in Dublin.

And Luke, I know last week we touched briefly on your trip to America, but you've been thinking about it a lot, about the upending of science in America.

Yeah, there was a big thing in The Economist, Pat, very timely, because I was there a couple of weeks ago.

Trump is dismantling science in America, is the view of The Economist anyway, but there is evidence for this.

Slashing funding, you know, stacking committees, advisory committees, there's consternation.

And when I was over there,

I couldn't get over how they were all

in bits, basically, you know, really complaining about the whole thing.

So it's a big fear.

I mean, they're cutting pretty much everything that might be useful going forward, and even stuff that we depended upon in the past.

Yeah.

Undermining.